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Case for Snoke

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 26, 2016.

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If Snoke is based on Pablo Hidalgo's character described here, will you be satissfied?

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  1. Yes 100%

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  2. 50/50

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  3. NO

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  4. Plagueis will never be forgotten

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  1. Yordis

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    In my theory, it's the Sith, Plagueis and Sidious, who instructed Snoke to design the Death Stars. Thus we can say, Snoke was there to see the rise and fall of the Empire, and definitely part of the Siths' plan. Plagueis still had a hand in it, but he wasn't drawing up blueprints himself. That was Snoke's job. As time went on, he made improvements to the technology, until we got Starkiller Base. It seems strange for me that Plagueis would work on super-weapons himself: he was concentrating on trying to live forever.
     
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    Just to place here something found in Bloodline novel, large part is a polithical thriller, but also there is action. I am extracting every bit of data regarding origin of the First Order.

    Part of the plot surrounding the rise of the First Order involves training paramilitary forces and stockpiling weapons on the Outer Rim planet of Sibensko. Similar to Palpatine's plan, the idea is to weaken the New Republic from within before the First Order arrives.

    The paramilitary group mentioned named themselves the Amaxines. They got their name from an ancient warrior people whose currency was actually weapons. According to Leia, the Amaxines were old warrior race, which didn't make peace with the Old Republic when it was formed( millenia ago) and they "pointed their ships at the galaxy beyond our and left forever."

    Nothing else is mentioned of this race.

    For the First time if I am corect we have glimpse of something ancient , something far away, something beyond galaxy?. Old race mentioned, who left the galaxy milleania ago and have an issue with galactic Republic , actually with the galactic society in general ....if I am corect.

    Please comment.
     
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    In the defunct canon, Darth Tenebrous was a legendary ship designer, so for me, Plagueis didn't have to design them himself per se. All he had to do was approve the new concepts/ improvements for puppets like Snoke and Sate Pestage to carry out.

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    And did I miss something? As in an official announcement that Snoke is not Darth Plagueis?
     
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    Pablo posted that Plagueis was dead recently.
     
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    Wait.

    THAT
    stupid tweet is the driving-force behind this inordinate amount of Plagueis gloom?
    Oh, ye disciples of continuity... have u no faith? Pabs tweets are worthless...


    The more Pabs denies Plagueis, the more he confirms.
    This only ends well for Disney & Pabs if Snoke Darth Plagueis the Wise is getting the Jon Snow treatment.

    "So sorry, we were protecting the story from getting spoiled" -- Gets a pass, begrudgingly or not.

    "Not sorry, I trolled you. Told you Snoke is Snoke and it should be obvious that we don't give a wamprat's ass about continuity, the Prequel Trilogy, or the Skywalker-family-Saga." --Gets nothing but the Gas Face. (see 3rdBass 4 details)
     
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    Well, this isn't really the Plagueis thread, but I disagree here. I think Pablo will take a lot of heat if he's equivocating this time. So, I think we should take him at his word here.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 5, 2016, Original Post Date: May 5, 2016 ---
    Ah, I take that back about being sure of his tweet.



    ...Hard to express in PG-13 how much I hate Pablo right now. You know, I'm actually seriously considering that petition about getting him reprimanded. Because he certainly framed that like he was saying something new, and that's how everyone took it. If he can't say something plainly, he shouldn't say anything.
     
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    Which thread am I in now? Doesn't matter.

    Pab's can yap all he wants, tweet all he likes, won't change a thing for me.

    #PlagueisLivesBecauseSnokeSucksWithoutHim!
     
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    I'm sure that his will not have much bearing for most but this was also in the New "Star Wars :Absolutely Everything You Need to Know" book on Sidious' page. I'm sure many will stick with their theory but why publish stuff like this if it is planned to change in a movie. 0505161717.jpg
     
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    In theory Disney already failed if Snoke, whoever he is, is not as great as Plagueis. It will be stigmata the Sequel Trilogy will carry forever as the Star Wars fandom will remember this . Its better for them Snoke to be great and elaborate character. And to do this it must be story twisting ,something like we propose here .
     
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    Agreed. No Sith in the Sequels?

    Luke hides from a deformed-Inquisitor who used to shine lick Vader's boots.
    While the deformed-Inquisitor's apprentice, prays to the spirit of Luke's dead dad.

    Snoke is failing as it is; and without making him Plagueis, things will only get worse from here.
     
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    But Snoke is Plagueis, so there's nothing to worry about.

    #PlagueisConfirmed
     
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    Maybe they made fine effort to make Plagueis final revelation very spectacular ?

    What on Earth could be reason for dead Plagueis no more be referenced as notable member of Muun race?

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    I wouldn't put too much into this particular bit information. "Star Wars" wiki is a fan updated site. Since the Plaguies novel which establishes his species as a Munn is now considered Legends and there is not any other reference to his species, Star War Wiki has just been updated accordingly based on this fact. Plaguies may still be a Munn or he may not. We will not know until Lucasfilm states otherwise.
     
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    Yes of course,still unusual situation considering we are talking about one of the most powerful Force Users ever,mentioned as such in the film, and mentioned in the Tarkin novel as one who was later studied by Palpatine, Vader, Tarkin ( and elswhere by Cronal ). I mean he is the one who made a plot together with his apprentice Palpatine, and that plot (owerthrowing Republic and the Jedi) in fact created story of Star Wars.
    It seems as triviality of non-defined species for character that is anything but triviality, paradox.

    "...In the years that followed his rise to Emperor, Sidious came to genuinely, if posthumously, appreciate Plagueis for the planner and prophet he had been. Sometimes, he mused about how his late master would have reacted when confronted with the trivial, day-to-day matters of Imperial politics..."
     
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    And how does Snoke deal with politics? He tries to blow the whole damn thing up. No messing around like Palpatine did.
     
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    Yes, the magnitude of Snoke's ruthless evil and coldblooded destruction of entire star system is probably strongest argument he is not Sith. Sith always looked to me like emotional beasts.Snoke is more like reptile (in psychological sense)
     
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    The Sith aren't evil enough to blow up star systems? :confused:
     
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    No reason to hate Pablo. As expressed by kb93, "Pablo just tells us what we already know."
    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?goto/post&id=274444#post-274444
    "I agree, possibly all he's doing is confirming the dialogue in Revenge of the Sith. Confirming that it took place, not even necessarily confirming it as fact." --Me, from the Darth Plagueis thread.
     
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    Just more passion in them, remember Palpatines furious fights, Vader's bursts of emotion.

    In tis way Kylo is more like Sith.

    Snoke is not a Sith. Hosnian system wiped out , no emotion. Starkiller base lost, no emotion.
     
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    Vader didn't show any emotion after Alderaan's destruction.

    Are you suggesting that wiping out a star system is beyond the Sith? That doesn't make any sense. You really think Sidious would think twice about wiping out the Hosnian system? Heck, Sidious loved blowing up planets, it was one of his favourite pastimes. He loved it so much he built two of them! :)

    If Sidious had the technology of Starkiller Base, he would do the exact same as Snoke did.
     
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