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Case for Snoke

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 26, 2016.

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If Snoke is based on Pablo Hidalgo's character described here, will you be satissfied?

Poll closed Apr 26, 2021.
  1. Yes 100%

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  2. 50/50

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  3. NO

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  4. Plagueis will never be forgotten

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    I think Snoke being some form of ancient evil or otherworldly being could be plausible it would then make sense why the First Order racists would follow him. He would almost appear godlike to them if his origins were unexplained and his power unfathomable. I think it is believable that they would follow someone if they represent a power that they as a species themselves could not achieve even if they were racists.
     
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    So do you believe he was acting some Imperial human, B hux, or he was kept by Palps in bacta tank?

    It will fit the degradation theory, Angels from Liego are beautifull.

    But he had to be somehow within Empire hierarchy.

    Also they are good and kind species, appropriate for so wise beings, how this one came to be so evil ,he destroys entire star systems ?
     
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    Not in the bacta tank, because Snoke isn't in Rogue One. But I think Palps had him monitored and kept somewhere. But of course, Snoke can watch and speak to events over long distances, as seen in TFA, so perhaps he was less limited than the Sith thought.
    Not really, so long as he had something of great value that the First Order needed. Like superweapons and alchemy, and long range Force spying.
    That's the question, and a very interesting thing to find out, perhaps in a novel. But if Lucifer can fall from heaven, it's easy to see how Snoke could become an evil Diathim.
     
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    Still, cutting wings of angels and that stuff to get to Snoke. I am not sure.
     
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    Eh, you don't have to show that in the films, and in fact I think it would be goofy to talk about in the films. But Disney already used "wings get cut off" in the plot of the Maleficent movie, so I can certainly see them doing it again.
     
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    Yeah, Disney. I just hope it will be plausible, and hope they know people want explanation for their Snoke . They may have Rights bought from Lucas, but they have no moral right to place unexplained main villain just as an excuse to expropriate and exploit greatest SF film saga of all time.
     
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    But see that's a Disney movie and not a sw movie
     
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    Yes, and Disney owns Star Wars now. And besides, they don't have to show it. They just say "Snoke got beat up by the Sith", and that's all that's necessary for that specific part of his backstory. You don't even have to mention that Snoke's a Diathim, either, and leave that for the books and comics.
     
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    That is certainly Disney's right, still, I think they are aware the significant factor of the success of TFA was "nostalgia" effect. Now maybe they planed ep VII. to be nostalgic in order to reignite fire, and now they think its not needed further so they can sell utter sandbox in eps 8. and 9 as well as standalone? I am not sure..maybe they could, afteral hardcore fans are minority of their customers. They actually showed this already by placing Plags 6 feet under the ground in front of crying fans ,without a blink of an eye. Actually Pablo making jokes of fans ( its best not to think about it anymore.)
     
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    Let's hope not so much in a SW movie. Hopefully, they will stay out of the way and let KK keep it SW.

    This is true but we have to remember the Emperor in the OT. He just was who he was, very little backstory explanations to set him up. It is a possibility they will follow the same theory here.
     
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    Yes its possible, however, those were First films, little has been known about SW galaxy from every aspect, not just Emperor's backgrouns, but background of,well almost anything. Now its known , actually even maybe to much known for Disney who wants sandbox. Hey, thats why they erased Canon. However films are still there and films are setting standards.
     
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    I don't think so, I believe it displays the worst parts of "humanoid" nature and makes Snoke that much more dark and disturbing. It shows someone who is lost in his own ambitions, power, and sense of pride. So lost, that he forgets who he truly is, where he comes from, and even his own kind. Haven't you ever seen Boyz N The Hood? Eric Cartman?? Anakin Skywalker???

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    To become lost in a persona is a completely different thing than to change species... I don't think they meant "inhumane" by "not human". Snoke seems fairly level-headed, for a dictator. He hasn't even killed any of his subordinates yet.
     
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    Change species? I was talking about turning on your own kind and losing yourself in the relentless chase for your own selfish ambitions. Seems fairly level-headed for right now, but we have a lot yet to see in the growth and origins of this character. Could be a complete psycho for all we know, which doesn't seem far off for me. Obsessed with dark side sorcery, obsessed with perfect "order" and control over all things, using a powerful force user such as Ben as a mere pawn, and of course he is obsessed with finding Luke Skywalker. I think he's a genius/psycho who is completely embedded within darkness. Don't think we've had enough screen time of Snoke to see him do something like that yet, only in a few scenes and he's a holovid.
     
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    Ah, my mistake. I thought you were saying that Snoke used to be a human but was twisted by the Dark Side into an alien. Now I see that you meant it isn't strange for an alien to want to be leader of an anti-alien regime for the sake of ambition. Which makes a lot more sense, and which I can agree with. But I think @McDiarmid 's objection was with the First Order being willing to take an alien as its leader, not with Snoke's willingness to lead a racist regime.
     
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    Yes, you are right. I think so to.

    Simply if we compare power of the story of :

    A. Alien who takes control on the comand of First order, military organisation with prejudices towards other species.

    B. Someone once human like which you mentioned (and its is in OP! the whole point of this thread ), someone lost in his own ambitions, power, consumed by the evil to the point of not be a human anymore, that is the story I see. Once probabaly Admiral, Inteligence service, also a Dark side adept who got insights from Papatine, even studied Plagueis, survived also some( near) death event.....story twist, transformation, surprise....

    Whe can be sure B is more plausible and better story.

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    I would like to ad one my probabaly important observation from Bloodline: In the TFA novelization it is implied that Han Solo did not sough his son Ben from the teenage days, means years. In the Bloodline however it seems Han has met Luke and Ben recently , ben is 23 in Bloodline.

    Now this seems to point New Canon has a problem with consistency, and it seems indeed some word are thrown out of absolute cohesion with the newly constructed Canon ( its still in construction), or we could say the authors of the Aftermath, TFA novel, and Bloodline are not in absolute knowledge about all the things. This "not human " Snoke line from TFa novel maybe should be taken with liitle dose of reserve, as it seems authours of the books designed to build new canon are not perfectly tuned and coordinated it seems. Even though TFA statement Snoke is lookin humanoid but not human thopugh means he is alien its not absolute statement...there is room left he is human who became so twisted not to be considered human anymore.

    It could be also a intention to make slight misleed or at leats put things open to debate until revealed , since if in TFA novel it was said Snoke was once human, I hope its not my delusion of granedur if I say in this case we would have Snoke decoded entirely .
     
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    I made the same mistake--he's not saying that Snoke used to be a human: he's saying that Snoke, an alien, put aside his principles to lead an anti-alien regime for the sake of ambition.
    Best of both worlds--an alien who took over, who is also twisted by his goals and by the Dark Side.
    Yes. This book in particular, was written without the author having watched or read the script for TFA.
    However, I disagree with the thinking here. The TFA novel was checked to be consistent with canon. Bloodline was not--Bloodline was rushed.
     
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    ##In this moment a special atention has been put on Admiral Brendol Hux. Father of Hux in TFA.Its to early for any conclusion.##

    It is almost sure he is Unindentified fleet admiral!
    However he have died or presumed dead some time before Battle of Endor. He returns shockingly after Endor an starts formation of nucleus of the First Order.(Aftermath)

    We have located critical brachpoint in Disney story. It is to be explored what is this event in which Brendol Hux almost lost his life, surely it damaged him?!

    We are about to crack it definitely soon I think.
     
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    So... Darth Plagueis had some super weapons in mind, but they weren't grand enough for Disney? Now, Snoke has designed the Death Star, which was done by the CIS in AotC... and they were a Plagueis creation in the mundane world of business, and still Snoke isn't Darth Plagueis the Wise? My head might explode if this gets any more stupid.
     
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    Unfortunately , snoke is not Plagueis, not because its not good, its the best, but because its was decision by Disney to do so.
    What we are making here is best we can pull out from void left after Plagueis.

    If this OP story looks poor in comparison to Plagueis, in fact its is. It has no strenght rooted in Lucas foundations as Plagueis would have ,and it does not complete saga, however it opens it into a new space for new films (which is sole reason why its not Plagueis).

    Of course there is infinitesimal possibility Snoke is Plagueis and Pablo has lied, in which case again its not good, because it was unnecesary suffering, and this will left bitter taste forver, trust between fandom and Lucas story group will be lost, as well as Pablo will suffer... so again in this moment in fact its not good anymore its Plagueis .

    So, we should stick to reality, Drath Plagueis is killed by Disney.
     
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