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Case for Snoke

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 26, 2016.

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If Snoke is based on Pablo Hidalgo's character described here, will you be satissfied?

Poll closed Apr 26, 2021.
  1. Yes 100%

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  2. 50/50

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  3. NO

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  4. Plagueis will never be forgotten

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  1. 77th

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    Please take note that galaxy structure in Legacy and TFA are very, VERY, different.

    Legacy presents a version of the new Skywalkers, Luke and Leia Sons, but i guess TFA new version of the Skywalkers is gonna be a little different and not tied to any other story or narrative element because the big choices are going to be made on the movies and for the movies instead of picking some comic or video game character and introduce it into the movie narrative, the movies are far too important to be treated in 2nd information.

    At this point there's no need to introduce the Vong or any other outside alien invading species, simply because there's still way to much background story on the new characters to tell, don't overlap stories it's a bad business.

    But i'm all the way with you, i loved Legacy, John Ostrander is my favorite SW writer but i think there's not room for EU stuff in the main movies FOR NOW, perhaps some side stories and characters made it into a standalone movie (please bring Darth Talon).

    Edit: About the Vongs

    The Yuuzhan Vong are a big catchy species for the SW fans because they were very well portraided by mr. Ostrander, we presented to us so many Grutesque and Gory aspects of their society that we instantly fall in love by them, the Living Ships, the Shapers and the bio technology, the sadistic rituals and their resistence to the Force fit in nicelly in the new Jedi Academy nemesis.
     
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    Maybe he's so
    Powerful he's literally controlling Their minds which is why they're totally cool with him not being a human .
     
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    I agree. Except Cronal of course ;)
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    Though Cronal also controled minds.

    This could be a tip of an iceberg of an alien race that came from Other galaxy, or simply unknown race within the galaxy which decided to expand.

    The problem of course with concept of so powerfull race within Galaxy is why it was never noted before.From the map roughly only 30 % of the Galaxy has left unexplored.
     
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    Maybe they were primitive technologically speaking and finally had the ability to travel through space and Snoke had scouts through the prequels and original trilogy and all so he has a general idea of what happened and when he finally came he found it easy to manipulate the human species .
     
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    Sorry to disapoint you but i also consider "The Cronal Affair" very unlikely to be true.

    I won't take no more guesses at Who is Snoke until Rogue One because it must be some connection or reference to Snoke in it, let's wait and see.
     
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    That feeling of degradation of the body by heavy immersion with the dark side is excatly what the filmmaker has asked from famous sculptor Ivan Manzela who modeled Snoke.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Don't forget what you yourself posted on the previous page:
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    Dark Side corruption is at play, but so are actual wounds.
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    And again, Dark Side corruption does not change your species.
     
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    The problem is here:

    In favor of Snoke being human deformed by dark side immersion is:

    1. The concept has been actually used in the film ( phisical proof, Snoke sculpture has been asked to be created in this way )

    2. The First Order is alienist regime that has racist prejudices towards aliens, how would an alien took command of an alienist organisation?

    3. In addition ,First Order is in unbroken continuity with the Empire military as a professional military organisation--how would a person that was not a military commander or at least Imperial official took control of a military organisation ?. We know from Aftermath that the leftovers of Empire rallied around strong Admirals.

    EDIT- also Snoke knows everything what happened within Empire, Lea seems have knew him ...

    Against is :

    1. assumption character can not change its species, and it seems that novel talks he is not human, though it could mean also he is changed to the point of not be considered human anymore.

    I deeply believe ,though this seems impossible to solve, the solution of this puzzle can bring us true Snoke.

    Now we should think. Can one change a species?
     
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    Father of general Hux. Brendol Hux.

    Ruthless general who created secret officer group within Empire.

    He also designed training of strormtroopers from birth.

    Tomorow is release of highly anticipated canon novel Bloodline...he is also in he book , we will see why.

    Fan made vision of Hux senior.

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    Anyway we now Know no one (Lea, Han, Luke ) told Ben that Darth Vader was his grandfather, and he is already 23 years old. He must have been mad whe he realised.
     
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    Well he can always be brought back at some point. That is the good news. The bad news is Snoke is Fonze Jumping the Shark.
     
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    Agree. Plagueis can always return in standalone movie let say, or cartoon. Or maybee he dont return but they make film in time prior to the Phantom Menace.

    It is to be seen what did they done with the Force in new canon, cheaing death and that kind of stuff.

    Snoke seems to have cheated death, or he is prolonging his life trough Force, or both, though as we see it is haevily implied he is also "eaten" by to much immersion with the Dark Side.

    Just I hope they didn't screwed Snoke. If it is like this thread's OP it can pass, though not perfect.

    At least I hope they tried to make it the best they can...not as some people fear, just as a place holder for main villain.(because they think they can sell anything to people and make money under SW logo)

    I also hope there is wise explanation for comic name Snoke .
     
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    Snoke being one of Vader and or Emperors old lapdogs is not very interesting. If Snoke is not darth plagueis then Luke is far more powerful than any of the current Dark sider including Kylo. A villain more powerful than Sideous is interesting. Such great material to use, darth plagueis is. How conceited and arrogant to use Cronal or some other contrived villain in a SW sequel when there was red meat linking the past to the future with darth plagueis.

    Well, why the emperor and vader where dying there was this maintenance tech reading dark sorcery books who is now in charge and the universes arch villain and most powerful dark side user. Sad story bro.
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    He has also been savagely beaten on the head. The darks side did not put that gash in his head.
     
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    Darthless. A Star Wars trilogy without Sith Lords? What is really sad is Rogue One will have more Sith Lords than the ST.

    It just isn't Star Wars without them, finish the Skywalker family saga the right way, save that church of the force crap for 10-12.
     
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    I'm not sure Disney wants to make links the past. I believe it's the opposit. Bringing new characters and telling their story is a good subject for movies, cartoons or anything.
     
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    Duly noted, sorry!
     
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    After old wise Muun put to grave definitely we are left with only 2 options who Snoke might be, corect me if I am wrong:

    1. Former Imperial dignitary such as in OP of this thread

    2. An alien of some kind who jumped on a throne of the First Order while F.O. was in unknown Regions of the Galaxy.

    Considering Snoke knew what happened during the Empire, and knew obviously Vader and Palpatine as it is now it seem inevitable its 1, former Imperial Dignitary.

    The only problem, as mentioned by Yordis is in the novel it is mentioned Snoke is humanoid, not human but humanoid, which means Snoke is alien of some kind.

    Now its all messed up since First order is tight control militaristic regime and racists(alienist) regime with strong contempt about other species. If Disney would want First Order to have no-human members they would show this already, but as we see from TFA its only humans..except an "alien?" in the command.

    Srange.
     
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    3. Architect of the Death Stars and Starkiller Base, with skills in Dark Side alchemy.

    So the paradox is, how does an alien come to control the First Order, a regime which is anti-alien, and which was started by humans? What if this alien was the only one who knew how to build super-weapons strong enough to destroy multiple planets? What if this alien is also strong in the Force? What if this alien knew that the First Order was useless without his assistance? What if he was from an alien race known for charming humans? So I propose, creator of the Death Stars, Snoke.
     
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    Your 3 is 2. , I already said option alien who jumps to the throne of First order.

    but this "charming humans" is absolutely the best. ( though there is as we know pink colored species of humanoids from EU who atract humans, sexualy, and Snoke is noted to have some kind of pink skin)

    He has charimsa though no doubt , as both Kylo ren and Hux fight for being noticed and approved by him.
     
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    Almost--In mine, Snoke isn't from the Unknown Regions. He's been in the Galaxy proper the whole time.
     
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    So yo think its possible he culd be Zeltron?

    They are very beutiful (compatibile with Snoke once, not now), they have pink skin, and in novel says he has pink face, an they were very sexually atractive, and which is the best- naive, so humans exploited their naive nature for..you know for what.

    haha this is great.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zeltron/Legends
     
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