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Case for Snoke

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 26, 2016.

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If Snoke is based on Pablo Hidalgo's character described here, will you be satissfied?

Poll closed Apr 26, 2021.
  1. Yes 100%

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  2. 50/50

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  3. NO

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  4. Plagueis will never be forgotten

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  1. Yordis

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    It might mean that, if those music tracks were used in the same series. This is why you don't see anyone speculating that Rey will be going to Hogwarts, despite parts of her theme sounding like Potter music. But I agree that the Cronal idea has potential.
     
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    My point really is that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
     
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    Understood, but when you juxtapose that theme with a character that looks like he's cheating death? It carries more weight.
    (But this isn't the Plagueis thread...)

    Which parts of the Cronal theory do you find the most compelling?
     
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    I'm just incredibly weary on confirmation bias, which can be a major problem in fan theories. Especially since many people were obsessed with Plagueis before we ever even heard the name "Supreme Leader Snoke" (I still remember the whole "Staff of Darth Plagueis" theory). If people want to prove Plagueis is in the sequel trilogy, they won't stop until they find every scrap of info that, to them, confirm that he is until they are either proven correct or Episode VIII and Episode IX come and go without a single mention of the wise Sith Lord.
    *whispers* I'm personally leaning towards the latter.
    Really, the whole thing is compelling. Many aspects of Cronal's character and biography do either fit Snoke or fill the currently existing holes beautifully.
     
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    But there are a lot of inaccuracies in that opening post, and some convincing points which you'd only find by reading the thread, which is why I ask. Not to mention, parts of Cronal's character which do not fit Snoke have been removed from the opening post. @McDiarmid will say that Cronal is just a template, but at what point can you still call someone a template if you take away many of their defining features? To even consider Cronal, you have to ignore his core ideology.

    A great part of that opening post is dedicated to trying to convince you that Snoke used to be human--when we know that Snoke is an alien. Or do you only agree with parts of the opening post? It twist such statements as "presumed dead" to mean "came back from the dead". There are errors there, and unfortunately not everyone is going to check the sources. That said, a lot of it is good. But the theory as it is presented in the OP has problems.
     
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    Thank you .

    I was taking every detail, even slightliest.

    For instance,it has been said that the general idea for the First Order came from a fiction story how Nazis after WW II escaped into unknown territories
    ( South America or Antartica) and there they created secret base, planning eventualy to return.

    Now of course many people align with that , as the First Order seems to be obviously like that.

    I gone further, and asked myself, what if their leader has the same background?

    Indeed found Cronal (this character has already been debated eslwehere sporadicaly just as peculiarity) and found analogy---he has analogy of a high ranking Nazi official, evil thing that was part of regime that crumbled (analogy with commander of the Gestapo or SS ),who was also practicing dark cult paranormal sorcery like its leader (Hitler, Palpatine), and he and his followers escaped and are planing revenge, and in that process of preparing revenge use all classical and alternative methods, including "unnatural" dwelling in to the Dark side..

    Snoke is decoded.

    Notification to all : I edited OP once more bringing " Case for Snoke" to a new level. Please understand its an inquiry work. There was much material, I was archiving things in OP gradually, trying to clean the text as much as possible, its almost complete now , be free to read once more. Thank you.
     
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    It's the general idea, really. It's not going to be an exact 1:1, which is fine since they aren't the exact same character.
     
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    Snoke was a man and a part of regime that escaped like a Nazis after the WW2. The First Order was officialy designed on that idea.


    "That all came out of conversations about what would have happened if the Nazis all went to Argentina but then started working together again? What could be born of that? Could The First Order exist as a group that actually admired The Empire? Could the work of The Empire be seen as unfulfilled? And could Vader be a martyr? Could there be a need to see through what didn't get done?"
    ―J.J. Abrams

    Please note it was an Inquiry work , and i developed in the process, you and the others helped much with your cirtics for which I am grateful.

    Now its all clear.
     
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    I think the clear references here are a bit much even though they had good intentions .
     
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    I wanted Plagueis to.

    Ironic.
     
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    Well, Bloodlines comes out tomorrow. We'll probably have a better picture of things after we've all read it.
     
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    Great novel. Already considered one of the best SW novels by the people who read it .

    Some of the story ideas and elements in this novel came straight from Rian Johnson, director of the forthcoming Episode VIII.
     
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    Oh, have you read it? Then are you aware that
    it's supposedly implied that the Operator is Hux Senior?
    I don't have my hands on it yet, but I've read some reviews.
     
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    Now we are talking. I wanted to post this hypothesis here but seemed this will be to much for now.

    Snoke didn't killed Hux after he took responcibility... always asked why.( Hux:"sorry dad I screwed and take full responcibility"...")

    We already knew Hux. father was high ranking Imperial officer.

    Only problem is its very defined admiral who worked on academy...means a teacher....hm.
     
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    You should spoiler that...
    Wait, wait, wait. Are you now saying that Snoke is Hux Senior? And Cronal at the same time? That's... really hard for me to accept.
     
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    this is actually really cool.. never subscribed to the plagueis theory- but this could really explore a unique mythos we haven't ever seen in star wars, and it could make the remaining 2/3 of this sequel trilogy really interesting! can't wait to get my hands on bloodline..
     
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    though...

    This has been a dream of mine for years. I searched for officers who would understand what I proposed, and who could help me create these champions of our Empire. When I didn't find those officers, I decided to follow my own advice—I would create them. You have been chosen to begin this great work alongside me—to execute my design. Together, my cadets, we shall oversee the creation of legions that ensure the Empire lives forever.
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    ―Hux addressing his Commandant's Cadets
    --- Double Post Merged, May 2, 2016, Original Post Date: May 2, 2016 ---

    Not sure in that yet , only "hard signs" go in main theory about Snoke.

    This is for speculation.

    Brendon Hux admired Jedi order, and even created a...secret goup of his students on the Imperial academy...ok, we need to work on this further.
     
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    Ok, then apparently you're not going to spoiler anything. So Hux Senior created the First Order with the help of his lady senator friend. Great--that makes a lot of sense. But you really think Hux Senior is Snoke? How???
    --- Double Post Merged, May 2, 2016, Original Post Date: May 2, 2016 ---
    Interesting, where does it say that?
     
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    No I dont think Hux is Snoke please dont troll in here, its just a thought.

    I give you a friendly one ( though you deserve troll)
     
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    No, no, I'm not trolling. I really thought that's where you were going with this, sorry for misunderstanding. But now I am confused. If B Hux is the Operator, what does this mean for your Cronal theory?
     
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