Case for Snoke

The fact that Snoke has a reserve to respect Hux even after faliure is strange for a person who is consumed by the dark side .

Also a name of the Novel : Bloodline. It about Skywalker bloodline, though, again just a spark of though to be written on paper, and be worked upon...maybe there is another bloodline to be spoken about ?

Just a working material, nothing else, posting here for help and thought, to be developed or rejected, not for material for stab me in the back on a first sight .

 

He is I believe not true alien , not a member of another alien race, he looks humanoid but dont look as human. He doesn't look human anymore.

Dark side defomed him just as it did with the Palpatine.

Or maybe I am wrong.

In which case its Plagueis.(hushhhhh!)

 

Please dont be offended, but his is the first argument from you on this thread that I take as valid.

Yes we must act scientifically thats why i posted excerpt from TFA novelization, to debate.



Here we have mentioning of porly healed wounds...which could imply injuries from abroad.

 

In this case I apologize, its because you posted many critics in same post its impossible to follow.

 

Yes, and this is the key point we have go it to trough this thread, not Plagueis debate, which is ironic.(so much irony)

. Now help me to find the idea how an alien got to control this organisation and we have answer.

Forget passion to Plagueis, we must think out of the box....how did an alien, damaged, got in to control of the Alienist conservative military regime First Order?

We can be sure The Operator is human general who laid foundations for the First Order. How did this transition to alien at the throne happened, if it is not that same Operator.

 

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There are some "glimpses" from some talking about episode VIII in which there is mentioning of "many many aliens" in episode VIII. .

What if the First Order is just a "First echelon" of the strike from te unknown part of the Galaxy?

In this case, old rusty alien (even here is possibility for Plags) has taken control of everything in the Unknown part of the Galaxy and this is his Empire there now, alien race and human race controled by him as parts of his condominium, as he is striking Lucas Galaxy( Disney Empire is striking Lucas galaxy), ironic

 

Exactly. Afteral, First wave has got high losses, has lost Stakiller base.

Most importantly, Smoke doesn't seem to be worried to much about that.

It is 100% sure he has large strategic reserve there in the Unknown part of the galaxy. It could be a First Order reserve, second wave,

or..."second Order"



Idea:

Humans have reorganised remants of the Empire , under the command of the Operator, Admiral,( its possible it was a father of general Hux.)

In the Unknown parts of the Galaxy this reorganised remants of the Empire have been taken over in terms of command by a powerfull old and damaged Alien, who also Controls another unknown alien force. He organised its empire as an condominium, of First Order, and "Second Order". Thus he is Supreme leader as Supreme leader Controls more than one Organisation.

 

Yes, but I can't anymore take Plagueis into acount since Pablo Hidalgo said he isnt 100 times. Pablo would end on a Court if it turns out to be Plagueis after inflicting anguish to countles thousands of people for more than a year, so I dont believe Plagueis is in this story. Its a new character, and its not based on Plagueis.

I wanted Plagueis to.

 

Intresting theory dating years ago, probabaly many old SW fans heard it, but just for this ocasion I repost it :

-again take it with precaution, that Yuuzhan Vong could be just as an idea..........
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The theory is about that the Emperor Palpatine wasn't spending all those resources creating crazy superweapons like the Death Star and the Sun Crusher and putting together gigantic fleets of Star Destroyers wasn't to stop the Rebel Alliance, but rather in preparation of the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion that would happen about a quarter century after RoTJ ended.

Now the Emperor is a pretty smart guy. I mean, he got himself elected to Chancellor of the Republic, started a war, earned himself absolute control on both sides of the war, then managed to turn the galaxy against the guys who for a millennium had served as icons of peacekeeping, justice, and democracy. And that takes some serious strategizing! But here's the thing:

At this point, the Republic was falling apart, with or without a Sith-led Separatist movement to nudge them in the wrong direction. The senate was a clusterfuck where nothing ever got done. Corruption reigned supreme. Even the Jedi Council wasn't doing it's job properly. Ideally, Jedi are supposed to act as bastions of compassion and moderation. The way the Jedi would be tasked to deal with a situation is as a balancing influence between, say, two conflicting nation-states, or a particularly quarrelsome trade agreement. Everyone respected and would listen to a Jedi, and even without acting on behalf of the Republic, they should be able to arrive on a scene and be able to allow discussion and bureaucracy to flourish. Instead, the Jedi Council of the waning days of the Republic had grown inward and conservative, spending all their time meditating on the state of the galaxy and not enough time heading out there and fixing blast. This held throughout the war, when Jedi were surprisingly quick to jump to open combat as opposed to discussion.

In short, the Republic was completely and utterly unprepared for a real invasion, from a force that wasn't being controlled by a puppetmaster who was preventing either side from gaining an advantage until the moment was right. The kinds of fleets that were commonplace in the Empire would have been impossible for the Republic to even agree to create, let alone have the wherewithal to actually build. What Palpatine did was take a failing system and tear it out by the roots, replacing it with a brutally efficient, military-industrial focused society - one that could adequately prepare for an invasion of the scale of the Yuuzhan Vong were already beginning.

Second of all, if you think about it, creating a weapon that can destroy planets doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you're fighting a war against a well funded, but decentralized and scattered rebellion. The Rebel Alliance wasn't fighting a war of planets or borders or resources, they were fighting a war of attrition. What good is the ability to destroy a planet when your enemy doesn't even officially control any? The destruction of Alderaan, the only notable use of the Death Star, was a move made by Grand Moff Tarkin, whose Tarkin doctrine, though it heavily influenced the way the Empire kept a tight grip on even the furthest systems, was not the ultimate purpose of the "ultimate weapon". Tarkin was convinced that the Death Star was his tool, one of intimidation and despotism, that he could use it to keep the Alliance, the biggest threat to his power, at bay. And we all know how that venture turned out.

No, the real purpose of the Death Star was to be able to fight a force that could completely teraform an entire planet into a gigantic, organic shipyard in a matter of months, and was backed by dozens of 100+ Kilometer across warships. In fact, without the timely arrival of the seed of the original Yuuzhan Vong homeworld, Zonama Sekot, and a Jedi-influenced heretic cult that spurred a slave uprising, it's very unlikely that the denizens of the galaxy could have survived the war at all under the leadership of the New Republic. In fact, it's not really even fair to say that they "won" the war in any sense, with a sizable portion of the population of the galaxy eradicated, Coruscant, the former shining jewel at the heart of every major government for millennia, captured and terraformed beyond recognition, and the New Republic forced to reconstruct itself as the Galactic Alliance. Undoubtedly, for all it's flaws, the Empire could have hammered out a far less Pyrrhic victory over the Vong. And if Palpatine hadn't underestimated the abilities of both the rebellion he never considered a comparable threat, and one young Jedi, perhaps the galaxy could have avoided the deaths of uncountable sentients during the Yuuzhan Vong war years later.

There is ample evidence to suggest that Palpatine knew the Yuzhaan Vong were preparing an invasion. It's clearly outlined that the Chiss were aware of the Vong (Though perhaps not the threat they posed) at least as early as 27 years before the Battle of Yavin, along with Palpatine, who in outbound flight explains his purpose behind destroying the eponymous expedition was to prevent the discovery of an "immensely powerful and hostile alien empire" heavily hinted to be the Vong. So there you have it: Solid proof that Palpatine was aware of the Yuzhaan Vong as well as the threat they posed, 5 years before the Clone Wars even began

--- Double Post Merged, May 2, 2016, Original Post Date: May 2, 2016 ---

The Supreme Overlord was the grand leader of the Yuuzhan Vong and the Head of State of their Empire.

 

However they could pick elements of those stories, afteral why to throw it all into junk, those are decades of thinking and story writing.

For instance we already have more or less recycled Jacen Solo (Kylo) which you nacely mentioned.