Criticisms Of Rogue One

"What the fans want is Darth Vader to hack people to death with a lightsaber"

Given many reactions I read I'm afraid there's too much truth in that.

 

Really liked Rogue One. Thought was better then Force Awakens. But I would have liked to have seen a better ending for Jyn. Maybe by herself after Cassian is shot by krennick. Maybe even being the only surviver. And also why is leia so chirpy at the end! Vader just brutalised half her crew. Small Criticisms. But I really like Rogue one. Especially how it leads into A new hope.

 

Their where lots of really crap deaths, especially Jyn's and Cassians, surely if they have time to stroll down from the tower onto the beach for a romantic view why the death star conveniently aims a few miles away instead of right at the base, then they must have time to at least try and find a ship?

Thier are rumors that they originally had Darth Vader down on the Scarif to kill our the crew that would of been so much better.

 

The novelisation explains better why they didn't look for a ship:

*sobs and plays again "Your Father Would Be Proud"*

Maybe. But we know that Vader's former self does not like sand. LOL.

 

Don't have the ability to rate this a funny yet, but HA!

 

Still telling that old joke, I see.

 

ill have to get round to reading the novel, does it explain why the death star doesnt just aim at the base?
Still think they could of done their deaths better on screen, it was very cheesy and felt a bit forced.

maybe thats why he wears the suit, it doesnt really have anything to do with been burned alive its just to protect him incase he comes in too contact with sand

 

apologies if this has been covered here or anywhere else.... we see several Rebel ships smash head-on into the Devastator when it emerges from hyperspace... how has it been ret-conned to explain absolutely zero damage visible during the first scenes in ANH?

 

I thought the Devastator was the last one there. The ships that got rammed all went down didn't they?

 

Good point. I've thought of that too. Actually, though, last time I saw Rogue One, it looked like the ship that hit the Devastator (a Rebel transport, I think) impacted on the shields and didn't leave any structural damage on the star destroyer. I need to give it a closer look once we get the blu-ray, though.

One thing that does come to mind, though, is that we mainly see the bottom and the port side of the Devastator in ANH. The Rebel ship hit its starboard side in Rogue One. Again, I need to see the shot again, but if the Rebel ship hit the side and upper deck of the star destroyer, that MIGHT explain why there's no visible damage to the underside.

But yeah, I suspect there might be a bit of a need for retcon explanations on this one.

 

This shot is during the Battle before the Devastator jumps out of hyperspace. It is when we see the Ghost and the Star Wars Rebels leifmotif can be heard.

 

QUestion: more like what if question. When Mon Mothma ask about Sentors Organas Jedi friend, you think it can be in reference to Kanan? I know we all think its Obi-Wan but wonder if it is Kanan. just a thought I would put out...

Nevermind. he is talking about Obi-Wan. damn.

 

I didn't want Jyn to die. I had hopes she would become the new canon Mara Jade and hooking up with Luke but alas that was a Legend's dream hahhah

 

I watched this film only the 2nd time last night - the 1st being the premiere.
Again, I am sorry to say, that I was hugely underwhelmed.
I could nitpick at the CGI and the overuse of ANH footage and dialogue but really I could've looked past that if the film was interesting. But, to me, it was not.
Felicity Jones, although a good actress, is not a lead. I find her personality hard to warm to and she's just a bit bland.
Chirrut and his pal are good fun but as ever in assembles of this nature, characters get lost. It all felt rather rushed - from the planet hopping at the start to defining who all these new characters were and why we should care about them.

But really though I'm just disappointed by the lack of creativity. The only bits that peaked my attention were the Vader scenes - and even they were questionable! You could see where upon reviewing Gareth's work, Disney stepped in and said "We need more Vader!". And so was the message throughout this film (which links to the issues with TFA) - over reliance on the OT. Characters, dialogue, story. I think the way to make a good film is to first make something that doesn't rely on other films to work. Secondly, the premise itself is a bit of a non-film - acquire the plans to a big bad weapon so the hero of another movie can destroy it! Yawn. For me, I just wish that they'd take the opportunity with these standalone films to tell completely new stories. They're selling them to us as standalone when they are anything but that! Rogue One and the Han Solo film are DEPENDENT upon and directly connected to the saga films and continuously borrow plot, character and dialogue from them. It's just very sad that the franchise is being gifted to filmmakers with no originality or true artistry.

Rian Johnson, in my opinion (I know many people love TFA and RO), has to do something pretty special with TLJ for me to maintain my current interest these stories.

 

How you can say that is beyond me.

Thematically it is different to every Star Wars film that has gone before it. It is about the "grunts" not about the heroes of the OT. It shows the impact of the war on people, the sacrifices that are made and how the "good guys" can be anything but that.

Yes you can argue there are maybe a few too many nods to the fanboys and too many easter eggs waiting to be found, but people would complain if they weren't there. Even in a stand alone movie, there has to be a tie to the OT, other wise it isn't a Star Wars movie.

Rogue One was visually impressive, the acting was great and it had an emotional depth that many other SW projects have failed to match.

I think Gareth Edwards did a terrific job.

 

Rogue One presented new themes but it relied upon the the entire context of ANH. And where I appreciate that it attempted to bring new ideas to the table re: war, it failed to do so on a emotional level for me because the characters were dull and under developed. Knowing the ending also tends to be a tension breaker!

I'm happy for you. I just disagree. I've watched every PT film in the cinema at least 6 times. Countless times on DVD. Same with the OT. But I instantly didn't take to and was bored by RO. This made those nit-picky things stand out for me (CGI Tarkin/Leia, rehashed ANH dialogue, characters and scenes etc). Don't get me wrong, there were like you say some strong visuals (though with what Lucas created this isn't hard to achieve) and good acting in places. But I didn't feel the emotional depth that was clearly trying to be expressed. Again, I'm glad you did!

Of course, the saga films depend on one another a great to tell a story but this is expected and the story is told over the trilogies to form one film. A standalone film is just one film and it must stand on its own two feet. If the saga films were never made would this be a good film? I think if you make any Star Wars films now and have some cool shots of Tie's flying past sunsets, serve up some blue milk and then have Vader just show up and cut a few people down, it'll make money and be well received! I just think it should be a good film in its own right and I am far from convinced that RO is that.

 

I think your right for the most part, although I enjoyed the film. Disney and Lucas film are playing it safe in terms of how the prequels were received. They need a Reynolds (Deadpool / Logan) type of person in their studio; someone thats not afraid to take a chance. Marvel would not have approved an R-rated film, so the same goes for Disney or Lucas film. They need someone who is confident and passionate about Star Wars thats willing to take a chance.

But considering how much money is involved I think the studio will always poke their nasty little heads and say we need more Vader or whatever. I think someone like Ridley Scott, or a powerful director, of experience, can come in and say this is what we should do, and stop looking over my shoulder.... heheheh It seems that Disney is choosing young directors that they can control to create a safe film that will bring considerable return. Until that is changed we will always get soft re-boots or films harkening back to the OT. I don't think they will ever touch the prequels stuff or just slightly, not to turn off those that dislike them.