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Darth Maul

Discussion in 'General Stand-Alone Movie Discussion' started by DarthDwight, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. DarthDwight

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    what about a darth maul movie?
    he was such a cool character. it could be about his rise to becoming palpatine's apprentice before episode 1
     
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    The last time we see Maul is in the comic series Son of Dathomir, It would be nice to see an ending for him.
     
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    i agree. it would be very cool.
     
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    His Clone Wars episodes were so boss.
     
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    i agree. so baus
     
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    Darth Maul is one of those fan favorites that when his supposed death in TPM occurred, people thought it was to sudden. So they bring him back and he has one of the better story arc in The Clone Wars. Then his Legacy continues in a comic series based off unfinished Clone Wars episodes and they still don't give him an ending he properly deserves. I'm all for one of these films to be about Maul.
     
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    Totally agree. It'd be pretty cool to see what he does and where he goes once he's taken over all the crime syndicates. Maul was badass enough on his own, but with Opress he was a nightmare. Imagine him turning up with an army of mercenaries, cut-throats and general all-round bastards. Entire systems would fall at his feet.
     
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    I would totally LOVE a Darth Maul movie. Also a really great idea I read on this forum would be to have Maul and Kenobi have a final duel in an Obi-Wan spinoff in order to end Maul's storyline once and for all. In a word = E P I C
     
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    yes the maul and kenobi movies could be related. kenobi would end with a cliff hanger while maul would end with their duel and maul finally biting the dust.
     
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    This is what I’d like to see. Maul in the Obi-Wan spinoff. I personally don’t want a Maul centric movie for a couple of reasons.

    1. Villain centric movies are very difficult to pull off. The darkness required to keep the integrity of the character would feel very out of place in a SW movie. Having no “good” characters to sympathize with would be difficult to pull off in a compelling way, and trying to soften Maul into an Anti-hero instead of an cold and hard villain would be a mistake and make the character suffer overall. Audiences need a surrogate in the film in order to allow them to identify with the story. Otherwise, the plot loses its compelling characteristics and it becomes two hours of just something cool to look at. This might be fine for us diehards, but probably not good enough for general audiences.

    2. Part of the appeal of Maul is in how little he actually says. He is a mystery. Clone Wars weakened his character for me by showing us too much, even if they were good episodes. As an icon of the dark side Maul was genius. As you get to know him a bit he loses some of that power. He becomes more of a standard villain. Similar to what happened with Boba after we met him as a child, the more we see the less fearsome they become.
    I’d be all for the return of maul in the standalones or in rebels. But I want him as antagonist, not protagonist. But that’s just my opinion.
     
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    Personally, I thought that the only thing that was worse than Lucas' idea to kill of Darth Maul at the end of TPM was the idea that a villain who had been bisected across his midsection and dumped down a massively deep pit was somehow able to survive. That's just bad soap opera fare there.

    BUT... since Lucas evidently decided to give himself a mulligan on his killing off of what could have become a perfect nemesis for the Jedi throughout the entire PT, and since it's now canon that Maul survived the unsurvivable, I would say that it couldn't hurt to have him turn up in an Obi Wan movie so that the two of them could finally finish what they started.

    The only problem is, most moviegoers aren't devouring every Star Wars related cartoon and comic book that comes out. If they were to bring Darth Maul back in an Obi Wan movie, there would have to be a LOT of exposition to explain why the guy who everyone saw getting chopped in half in TPM is suddenly turning back up to yank Obi Wan out of his retirement. Depending on how that's handled, it may or may not actually work for general audiences.
     
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    I have to agree with you about the average movie-goer, but at the same time, we have already seen Darth Vader lose three limbs and be set on fire by lava and survive, and whatever General Grevious was, he survived with just his organs and eyes, so throwing some robotic legs on Darth Maul shouldn't be too out of the question.
     
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    The problem I have with Maul is how do you get from Naboo to whatever planet Savage found him on with only his upper half. It seems a little absurd, but I'm glad they brought him back because the Episodes in The Clone Wars was some of their best ones.
     
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    The problem is, Darth Maul didn't just have his legs cut off. Obi Wan sliced him in half across his lower torso. And as though that weren't enough, we then saw Maul fall down what appeared to be a virtually bottomless pit.

    In fact, if I recall correctly from watching the "making of" documentaries from TPM, Maul's body was specifically animated to pull apart as he fell, so that it would be obvious that he wasn't coming back.

    And then... he came back.

    That we're expected to accept that he survived all of that tends to strain the bounds of belief even for some Star Wars fans. To further expect that the average moviegoer who saw TPM is going to have the suspension of disbelief necessary to automatically accept that a man they saw sliced in half and dropped hundreds of feet down a pit is suddenly running around looking for a rematch... IMHO, that's really pushing it unless it's handled very carefully and artfully.
     
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    He was saved by a bunch of fans waiting to catch him.
     
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    LOL! Basically, yeah.

    And that's what makes the whole thing remind me of soap-opera writing. Those things have no problem bowing to fan pressure by bringing a popular main character back to life after she's shown being burned to a small pile of ashes by a tribe of cannibals (after her plane crashed when her pilot was poisoned so that she would never get to her face-lift appointment in a top-secret government beauty salon hidden in the South Pacific so that she could marry The Guy With The Chin's twin brother and abscond with his family fortune, the shameless hussy!)

    So it also was with Darth Maul. ;)
     
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    But, but, but...but.....

    Who am I kidding, you're right.
     
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    I don't know, there does seem to be an affinity with many SW fans and the Dark side characters - many would even say that people like Vader and Maul were actually their favourite characters because they considered them cool and interesting. I just think that given the level of skill shown in Maul in TPM, his death seemed senseless and pathetic, and wholly unbelievable. If Obi-Wan had used the Force to jump up to the other side of the pit, call his saber over and defeated Maul after a lengthy and ardurous fight, then I think that would have been more believable, seeing as how they were both apprentices and trained in very different combat styles, Force uses and levels of discipline. But the fact that a) Maul didn't stick his saber straight out as Obi-Wan leapt up directly in front of him and cleave him in half, b) he simply watched Obi-wan somersault over him in amazement, and c) stood still whilst Obi-Wan took a massive swing back before striking him down, all just left me feeling like they were running out of time and money. But yes, I do have to concede that being completely bisected horizontally and then falling to his undoubtable death hundreds of meters below, Maul should not have survived at all. Unless he used the Force to slow his fall before impact, and even then, I imagine that's quite hard to do when you've been chopped in half. They'd have to do some back-story fudging to get him into another movie.

    I don't agree with this sentiment - Maul is by no means a mysterious character. He is out-and-out evil, power-crazed and desperately seeking revenge; in that sense, he's actually quite transparent. I also don't think that Boba lost anything by being depicted as a child in AotC and TCW, because every character has to come from somewhere (why he wasn't included in the stories as an adult clone is beyond me). I thought his story arcs in TCW were actually interesting to see because it showed you how he got to be the person that he was in TESB, and how he came to follow in his father's footsteps as a bounty hunter, despite seeing how that worked out for his "dad". :)
     
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    I wasn’t criticizing the manner of his death, or whether he should or should not return in some form. I was questioning his ability to be the central protagonist of a major motion picture. In order to support a major film release to a wide audience (not talking airing on cable on Sunday nights here where you can get away with it) the protagonist has to be, if not likable, than at least somewhat sympathetic. The audience needs a surrogate in the story who they can identify with. Maul, as he stands now, is not that. In order to make him that, he would either need to become more of a boba fett, where he isn’t necessarily evil, just an extreme pragmatist and a believer in moral relativism. OR, they would need to give him the “heart of gold” treatment. And the last thing any star wars fans wants to see is Darth Maul saving orphans and kittens and getting in touch with his sensitive side.

    A “bad guy” can be your protagonist as long as he ( in the words of Wreck-It Ralph) isn’t a “BAD guy”. Maul is sith, he has no redemption arc that I want to see. Keep him as the villain if he needs to be there and nothing more.
    This is all clone wars stuff though. While canon, like some posters said above, the cartoons aren’t what the audience will know. From his brief appearance in TPM, what does the audience know about Maul? What made them love him?

    Maul is a dark henchman, who barely speaks. He is made up to look like a demon or devil and lurches out of the shadow to kick ass with some wicked martial arts and nearly bests our heroes. We know he is Sith. We know he works for Siddious. Outside of that, he remains a mystery. That is the character that the masses enjoyed. He was the PT equivalent of Boba Fett. Man of action but few words. Could outfight and outthink the heroes from time to time, and never overstayed his welcome. Boba and Maul aren’t arch villains. They are the star wars equivalent of Bond henchmen. They show up, do some cool things, and disappear before you have time to over think it. I’m not against expanding on those stories and I don’t mean to say they couldn’t be developed into deep characters who we can sympathize and identify with. But if you do so in a way that shows weakness or strives for sympathy, you have to accept that you are muddling their purpose in the cinematic trilogies. Which was just to be a terrifying badass. I personally don’t think that a standalone movie is worth damaging what is currently one of the few undebated high points of the PT. So, I’d prefer they stay away from maul and go another direction. Or again, if they want to use him, not as the protagonist. Just as a threat.
     
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    I don't want to argue that this is the arc for maul, or that it is the right direction for any lucasfilm to go, but it is possible to have a real deal bad guy as the main character of a movie without him needing to be sympathized with or sentimental. see Godfather 1 and 2. Michael Corleone is not a good person. He is a terrible person. His redeeming qualities is how stone cold he is. How calculating he is. Its about how he makes choices the audience would not make, because we are sentimental. we watch to see how far he will go. Those are good movies. Are they fun? no.
    It is interesting to me that "Mob Boss" is the direction they took Maul in TCW. Its a good way to root for a bad guy.
     
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