Debunking some myths on the effects used in the PT

I came across this site a few days ago on how it describes the use of some of the effects utilized in the filming of the PT; how it debunks some of the rumors and myths in how people think the PT was made effects-wise. The link I'm providing is actually to a thread to another forum but there's some really good discussion on this topic as the posters cite sources whenever they post a pic or give a description (goes to about 30 pages):

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...e-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/

One thing that sticks out is the mention that green/bluescreen is not the same as CGI.

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I'm sure there were models used in AOTC (Geonosis and Kamino models for example). Furthermore, there were real set and on-site filming locations as well (certain outdoor shots of Naboo, inside the Theed palace, scenes in Tatooine, etc).

Just curious but how would you know for a fact that he wanted to save money and time? After all, he released AOTC 3 years after TPM. More importantly, how would you know that he didn't put it the same effort as in the OT and TPM? Unless you were directing involved in the filmmaking process with Lucas, this is just a matter of opinion and speculation.

 

http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/05/e...isy-over-cg-in-star-wars/#Otc1cRil7Jg0cs3J.99

http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/05/the-star-wars-prequels-model-or-cg/

http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/05/the-star-wars-prequels-sets-or-green-screen/

 

Did you actually read the links? Please do some more research before commenting since one can come off as sounding ignorant (and please, research more than just these two articles). I can't take someone seriously if they have already made up their mind and refuse to have a discussion on matters because they're already so biased that they refuse to keep an open mind and listen to the other side's argument. Please don't sound like a conservative Republican who one can't have an intellectual conversation with due to them being out of touch with society and refusing to listen.

And for the record, I'm not saying that they didn't use CGI and green screen at all. I'm just playing devil's advocate here and presented the argument that this whole "overabundance of CGI" portrayal of the PT has been completely blown out of proportion.

And you say "I know what i'm looking at, stop trying to tell that they didn't go overboard with the CGI and green screen because they certainly did" like if you're an experienced filmmaker, with years of experience of making blockbuster films who owns a filmmaking company worth in the billions.

 

Everyone has a right to form opinions (and everyone has a right to form opinions on others' opinions as well). However, there are those that come off as if they know how to make movies (such as making absolute statements like "I know what I saw") and in my opinion, I don't like that because it's hypocrite. If one thinks they know how to make movies, then maybe they should put their money where their mouth is and make them.

Who is to say that the folks involved in making the PT did not put in blood, sweat, and tears in making them at all? It's a total insult and disrespect to all who were involved in producing the PT to assume that hard work was not given by said folks at all in the making of them.

This is a matter of opinion and perspective. It's been stated many times that the effects in the PT have been groundbreaking and ILM set the standard for special effects. Furthermore, yeah, the effects of the OT still look great (and they were groundbreaking for their time as well) but let's be realistic:, show a child of today the Blu-ray version of the OT and - 1997 SE extra add-ins aside - they will say that they look good (though one can still easily tell that those movies are not recent movies) but show them the OT in their original theatrical release forms, before the SE digitally remastered enhancements, and they will say that they look like crap. Let's face it, everything will age over time no matter how it's made (ex: look at Cloud City in the OT). It's the nature of the beast in the world of cinema (and it's common sense that movies will inherently not look like they were recently made, more evident in older movies, as time passes).

Oh, and movie-making techniques and special effects evolve over time. Movies aren't going to be made exactly how they were were in 1977, 1980, 1983 with the same techniques and whatnot. Special effects are a constant pushing-of-the-envelope type of thing to perfect things so that things look more realistic, particularly in genres such as sci-fi where it's inheritently a fantasy world, more and more as time progresses (to the point where one can't tell at all that there was CGI and special effects implemented). Get used to it!

Again, this is a matter of opinion and perspective. Have you even seen the Blu-ray versions of the movies? You do realize that to create worlds that aren't earth-like, special techniques had to be used, right? You do know that a setting such as Mustafar doesn't exist on Earth, right? Only having earth-like settings limits the possibilities of the types of worlds that can be presented (and Star Wars is more than just earth-like worlds). It's the techniques used in creating these worlds that determine how good and presentable they look (and the feel of realism).

Well, if the shoe fits.....I'm only calling out those PT haters/bashes such as those that I've described in other threads, these are the ones that have proven to not be open minded, the ones that overexaggerate in minute/granular fashion to the point that they take things too seriously (yet conveniently forget that the OT was not perfect as well, as it had flaws too. Doesn't mean they're bad at all though). They forget that time has passed since 1983. It's gotten to the point that some of their comments are meritless and delusional.

 

Exactly! I always remind myself on this whenever I visit these SW fan forums and Facebook groups and fan pages (that and I remind myself that PT haters/bashers are the loudest and most vocal of the bunch). In the case of Facebook, I just block the people that exhibit "PT bashing/hating" behavior [note that I'm NOT saying that pointing out flaws or forming opinions equals PT bashing/hating] so that I don't have to see their ignorant comments (which is what they are most of the time); as for a site like this one, well, I can't really block people on here as 1) that ability doesn't exist here and 2) due to the ST, I'd like to see the discussion happening (so I just resort to neutral/negative repping people when I see something along the lines of PT hating/bashing. Makes my eyes roll a majority of the time when I see some comments that delve into PT hating/bashing.