Devin Faraci Calls TFA fan fiction and calls JJ Hollywood's greatest Mimic

No it does not and that is sad.
It could have been a great movie, I guess many people will start to realize it sooner or later.
But I don't have given up on the franchise yet.
I'am still looking forward to VIII and Rogue one.
To make it clear, I don't hate TFA, there were certain things I enjoyed, like the Millenium Falcon.
It was fun to see this ship in action again.

Edit: pessimistic my *rse it's called realistic!

 

Yeah I didn't hate it but it was too familiar which is why so many people call it a "reboot." Literally, I was like, "am I psychic?" The entire time. I can defend this movie to death but it still doesn't excuse what was omitted and for what reasons .

 

I'am cool with it, when people like the movie and new folks join the Star Wars fanbase.
But I dislike it, when new guys who just recently joined start to bash the OT and tell me that TFA is better in every department. (mindboggling)
If it's better why Disney decided to play it safe and copy ANH with pieces of ROTJ then!?
TFA stands not on his own legs. (conclusion - inferior - because not original)

 

"Just when I thought this thread was out, someone pulls it back in again" - The Godfather

 

I have a mouthful to say about Disney that is the truth but I shouldn't...it's not the Jedi way.

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There was a 7+ hour on marathon for that yesterday .

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A familiar tactic which was utilized frequently during the old basher-gusher wars.

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^ kinda how I feel after episode 7.

 

I guess Luke Skywalker thought the same:

To be honest, he does not look glad.

 

Holy crap! that is funny

 

The best dirty laugh in movie history or not?

 

No it doesn't...

There's plenty of content. What is one real question that needed to be answered in the film, that wasn't?
Ask me a question, and I'll tell you where it is answered in the movie (with the exception of Finn's misplaced blaster on Takodana).

I can say the same thing about TFA. Everything you need to know is there.

That's why I called TFA the best written since Empire.
The plot in ANH still works a little better than TFA, partly because it wasn't so ambitious... (I'll explain below)

TFA actually had a very difficult task. Yes, there were 6 movies in the past, but the main issues had all been resolved. Anakin was redeemed and the Empire was defeated. What we're left with his a few old characters with not a lot to do. TFA needed to introduce an entirely new generation of characters in such a way that it would still feel like a continuation of the Skywalker family saga. In order to create a more compelling story, they needed events to happen in the 30 years since ROTJ. They couldn't just pick up where ROTJ left off, without having to recast younger actors in the roles of the familiar faces. Not only did they have to introduce new characters, but they had to re-introduce characters from the past, and provide some information about what has happened since we last saw them to explain their current situation.

All in all, there are at least 10 major characters in TFA, half of which are entirely new, and the other half which have had a lot of stuff happen to in the past 30 years.
It's an absolutely mammoth task to set up all these characters and set up a new conflict that isn't completely unrelated to what had come before. They don't have the luxury of being able to make prequels to explain things that happen inbetween either.

 

At first I wanted to refute your arguments, but it would not make sense, because this will lead to a endless back and forth.
Our discussion is running long enough and I don't see a happy end for both of us.
Don't think that I gave up and you're right, I'am just tired and wanted to end this. (see explanation above)
Let's agree that we disagree on every aspect, I'm fine with it.
We don't need to convince each other with arguments.
It will not happen, because it looks like our opinion is deadlocked.
Have a nice day @ArynCrinn and be happy that you can enjoy the new movie, some of us can't, but believe me, I really wanted to enjoy it.

 

Yawn. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and everyone's entitled to re-hash the already over-hashed. Yes, we get it: TFA is very similar to the OT...I'm still waiting for a critic to shock me with something I missed; I'm quite sure the nobody author of this article from some site I'll forget about within 30 seconds can't tell me anything I don't already know. I was entertained by TFA, I have seen it 6 times, I've never seen anything more than once in the theater, so that's a good indicator for my own inner critic to let me know I love the film. Right now, TFA has turned in to the biggest target for the hyper-critical, and that's expected; it's a huge deal. No one is going to sit around and pick some lame indie flick apart cuz no one even cares. Now, I am going to stand by eagerly awaiting the next article that tells me how much TFA is like ANH. I can't wait. It's like being a kid, too excited to fall asleep on Christmas Eve. I'm that excited. To hear yet another unoriginal critique explaining how unoriginal TFA is. So excited. About to...EXPLODE.

edit: spelling

 

Regarding the politcal issues of this movie, this scene pretty much explained everything to me.

Now, why is the Senate backing this Resistance thing, well.. doesn't really matter. What is, is. There's way too much focus on what is really the 'background noise' of this movie.
This "OMG I don't understand the movie is fail because I didn't have a full technical explanation for how a government I never see in the movie works." is malarkey. Back in Empire, did you ever feel it was important to understand how a giant floating city could operate undetected from the Mining Guild? Did you ever even ask yourself, what is the mining guild? How does it work? Wait, why does the Empire even need a mining guild!? Did you ever feel the movie suddenly fell apart because because Lando is declaring that "The Empire is taking over!" when they supposedly rule the whole galaxy with an iron fist anyway?

Of course not, because that's 'background noise'. You were focused on what matters: the story and the characters.(darth)

What this anger at TFA is REALLY about is the EU. Particularly it's impact over the past 25 years on preconceived notions of how characters and story were to progress after RotJ.

Let's take the Han/Leia complaint for example. Let's deconstruct this argument that "They're bad parents!", and put their relationship back together the way the nitpickers want it. And heck, for craps and giggles, let's do it with a bunch of their other complaints.
[Fanboy Voice]
Han and Leia should be a happy, married couple. Han has become this swashbuckling general of the good guys; Leia runs the new government. Oh, while we're at it, let's throw in that whole detailed technical explanation for the politics of their galaxy. Oh, and course Luke would never possibly run away. That's so uncharacteristic of him. And heck, the "New" Republic should be fighting the First Order itself, right? Oh, and I need a villain that has no weaknesses and scares me in my sleep. Can't forget that one. And most importantly, no more "Death Stars". And we need a detailed explanation for how Anakin's lightsaber reappears in the story. And lot's of new spaceship and vehicle designs. And it's too coincidental how the Falcon reappears; Han would never lose his ship!
TA-DA!!

Check's in the mail, Tim.

 

I guess it's still the best E.U. book.

 

Well, initially I thought this backlash was coming from the Prequel gang.. but as I watched these videos and read their angry youtube comments it became clear that the ideology was more of a coalition and the Prequel fans are not the biggest block in it.
It's actually EU fans:

I think more people read Heir to the Empire than a lot of people realize. Or at least tried to read it and maybe only got a few chapters in. But just a few chapters is all it takes to sear the impression of what the starting point scenario of the next trilogy should be. And in deconstructing/reconstructing the critiques I am writing the thematic concepts of that book!

And this does lead us to the 4 billion dollar question: Just how much of the EU does Disney really own? When you look over at Marvel, they took the ideas and themes of their own comic books and graphic novels and adapted them into movies. But aside from the movie rights of franchises they stupidly sold off to Fox, Sony, and Paramount, they own their stuff free and clear.
So why was it not possible to adapt concepts from Heir to the Empire to fit the reality that we would need new characters because the original guys are too old? Maybe they did try and that's why the failed in their first attempt. Was Disney so narrow sighted they just wanted their own version of ANH that they would own free and clear? It's tempting to think that way but it also doesn't make sense when you consider that Disney already has the merchandise rights to that movie anyway. Why do we have what is (at this point, anyway) at knock-off of the Emperor, a Darth Vader fanboy, and a.. Well, you know in some ways Hux is kinda like a male version of Daala. And I think that's the wierd thing about this "new direction" thing: There is this effort to conceal insertions of EU themes. And I think I know why..

Royalties.

I think Disney doesn't want to risk cutting a check to Zahn. Or Anderson. Or Dark Horse. I think LFL's liscensing contracts to Bantam, Del Rey and Dark Horse are more befuddled than we're led to believe. But they probably own Driods free and clear so they can take Kybo Ren's name and change one letter then take Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus give him Ben Skywalker's first name and turn Jaina Solo into some scavenger chick of unknown provenance and SHAZAAM!! We now have a protagonist and an antagonist that we don't have to cut a check to any EU author for.

 

Lucas was a little more subtle about these things but JJ went overboard with the anti-Nazi stuff.

70 years after the end of WWII, the Germans-are-evil message has gotten very stale.

 

It's hilarious how you keep trying to pretend I'm not here.

 

Not contemporary enough for you? Just tell yourself that the First Order is like ISIS, but more organized with cooler uniforms and instead of religious zealotry, they're more politically motivated. Wait, right back to Nazis. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯