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Devin Faraci Calls TFA fan fiction and calls JJ Hollywood's greatest Mimic

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Chowdahead, Dec 30, 2015.

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    Like I said when Devin first started tweeting his reactions to TFA. When someone tells you they liked Fantastic 4 you don't think to yourself, "I should go see Fantastic 4". You think to yourself, "I'm never trusting this person's opinions on movies again".
     
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    Meh it is FanFic...JJ is an OT loving and PT hating fanboy and he is a great mimic at least in movies...his tv shows tend to be trippy and more original but his movie have all bean about mimicking some greats...this movie was mostly ANH with a little ESB and ROTJ mixed in, his Star Trek was ANH in the Star Trek universe and Into Darkness was a poor Khan Ripoff...Super 8 was Spelberg fanfilm.
     
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    thanks, @Skaddix, for sharing that.
    I guess I'll go sell my Blu-Ray copies of Star Trek, MI:3, Super 8, and Star Trek Into Darkness now.
    Does anyone here want to buy them?
    I just realized they are all redundant, because of Skaddix' enlightening post above.
     
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    I never said they werent fun nor said you couldnt enjoy them but that doesnt change the fact that its obvious JJ is a Mimic when it comes to Movies. I think most JJ movies are Fun but lacking in depth which is weird because usually I think his tv shows have the opposite problem.
     
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    The movies DOES have some fundamental story problems. Thankfully the characters and overall spirit keep it from becoming just another movie.

    It's good.

    But by just being good I fully recognize how ballsout AMAZING the OT is.
     
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    You know what... i'm done ranting. Its SIMPLY a good movie but not a great one.
     
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    That was the point. That was the literal mission statement going into making that film. And it turned out to be the best Spielberg film in years, although it wasn't even directed by Spielberg.
     
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    So then u agree he is a very good Mimic? What is the issue then TFA got called FanFic?
     
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    haha this is a good point. BUT, truth is, Devin Faraci is buddy buddy with Josh Trank. So he gave Fantastic Four a somewhat positive review (he ripped the third act) because he didnt want to show his friend the complete shaft. which also rubs edges with tarnishing journalistic integrity... so i guess we come full circle?
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    oh please. hyperbole. Super 8 sucked IMO but i do thoroughly enjoy Trek 09. but Lincoln shits on Super 8.
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    i disagree. its flaws have nothing to do with taste and have everything to do with being a casual film goer or a not so casual film goer. For those of us who are passionate about film, not just Star Wars, its flaws are pretty blatant.
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    sure ill buy them, i literally just lost my Trek blu rays to a flooded basement. FML
     
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    Well, this is the guy who said he had more respect for ISIS than he did for "inturnet meenies" toward someone he was white-knighting toward, so even without the blatant disregard to journalistic ethics and a lack of disclosure, I'd hardly give his opinions much thought regardless of his taste in film.
     
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    HAHA yep. i cant argue with you there my friend.
     
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    Not mad. Just dismissive - because the "flaws" you come up with are so lame, short-sighted, and inane. The consensus is very clear - The film is one of the best received films of the year, both critically and popularly, that when we are told that it was a failure for dumb reasons, we're not buying it.

    Not mad. Just dismissive.

    Because the reasons for disliking it and attempting to get others to dislike it seem weak, ridiculous and without merit.

    Han Solo's role and character as a father had no bearing on me liking it or disliking it.

    If he's so bad then why are all his films so well-reviewed? Why is he as successful as he is and why is he given these big opportunities to helm big franchise movies? And why did I enjoy his writing in this movie?

    Yeah, I'm sure his ability to be a good guest on talk shows makes his films consistently get great reviews and tremendous box office success. It has nothing to do with his skill as a filmmaker.

    And? Being excited for another director on 8 does not mean they were disappointed with 7. The vast majority of fans and critics were very pleased with what JJ did with 7. Multiple directors are a necessity because of the overlapping of productions.
     
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    I was not a fan of the idea of DS3 but then I realized that the whole point of the 1st Order is the return of the glory of the Empire. So building a bigger better planet killing sphere is how you do that.

    Maybe because they find the idea that it has MANY flaws. Outside of their experience and outside the vast majority of reviewers. They maybe no accounting for taste in art be there are trends. I have yet to read a negative review of the film that gave my a better perspective on something in the film. Most of them are either subjective judgements, failures to understand the point the film was making, upset that the wrong progressive agenda was pushed or needed to hate the movie because it was made by Di$ney and therefore must be a shameless cash grab.


    Well what struck me hardest is they guy was blatantly going for clickbait and then denied it. Lets face it a good headline has been part of Journalism since the beginning. I once got an A almost entirely on the title to a paper I did in college. Of course its CLICKBAIT he wants people to read the article. What I found just as disingenuous was that after making a title that totally looked like he was going to crap all over the film for being just like ANH. He praised it and spent more than half the article explaining why Fanfic is not a pejorative, but as great as Fanfic is JJ is still a mimic. This same guy would be complaining if JJ had made a film that felt radically different.

    True lots of great art is.

    Well most people use Fanfic as an insult suggesting that its some sort of second class non-professional quality work. Like it is automatically a C or D list project. So just the label suggests a level of contempt for the work that strikes me as beyond just "it didn't do it for me."

    In the case of this film it is tied to the design choices that they made which have in story reasons and motivations by the characters that people who are annoyed that they are just copying ANH. Having seen the film and the previous films I find the "its just a remake" or "its fanfic" a very superficial analysis as it seems to me that they are missing elements of the film that were new, different as well as intended to harken back to moments not in a "safe unoriginal manner" but in trying to implement elements of tone pome, ring plot layouts, parallel storytelling, and failure to recognize character motives.
     
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    Devin is a legend in his own tiny mind. And a Scum bag.
     
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    Here is the issue that I have with the fan fiction tag in general, its thrown around way to easily, especially in regards to something like Star Wars that was always meant to be a continuing serialized franchise. Take comic book characters as well, as the serialized adventure aspect makes them similar to Star Wars in many respects. Spider-Man was created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, yet he hasn't been written or drawn by either of those creators in years, yet when new creators went on to work on the Spider-Man title we didn't call them fan fiction writers. The same can be said of any long standing famous comic book character or even franchises like James Bond.

    One interesting thing I came across while reading the Making of The Empire Strikes Back book was a snippet of a conversation where George said that he always intended for Star Wars to continue on without him directing, with less involvement over time. The conversation seemed to imply that George thought even back then that Star Wars would outlive him.

    As for fan fiction, if I write a little story about Spider-Man and post it on the internet, that is fan fiction. However, if I am a professional writer and Marvel pays me to write a Spider-Man story, it cannot rightly be called fan fiction, even if some people feel that my story is terrible or has to many callbacks to older classic Spider-Man stories. The same can be said of the Star Wars books written through the years, whether good or bad. The fact is, Lucasfilm with the approval of George himself commissioned those stories and paid the writers involved, even vetoing certain creative decisions when they didn't like them. Whether you like those stories or not, it is inaccurate and demeaning to refer to them as "fan fiction". The same applies to new Star Wars films that will be made without the involvement of George Lucas.
     
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    Well that was informative but I think the FanFic tag is simply an insult...FanFic can be good but generally insult.

    Although I would note we had canon levels in the Old EU
     
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    It's not even a "new" universe doe .
     
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    Totally disagree

    Now Quinten Tarrintino he is Hollywood's greatest mimic. So much so he is getting sued for Django Unchained.
     
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    Then again, that's what he's paid to do .
     
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    We must have seen two different movies. TFA in my viewing made action completely secondary to characters. If anything they underdeveloped the action for the sake of focus on characters (e.g., the way they super-simplified the Starkiller problem/threat). What movie did you see?
     
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