SPECULATION Did Kylo save Rey?

The timeline shows that she was in Jakku unless Kylo Ren is 13 on the vision.

 

How their destinies are entwined, so young.

 

I'm like everybody I haven't a clue of what's happening but at least I'm not trying to bend time and codes to make things happen.

Rey being Luke's daughter is a true distorsion of the SW Universe. I could deal with her being Leia's ( even if Disney better have a really strong reason for her being abandonned ) but that would make Luke a terrible human being to let her alone on a crappy planet without even trying to help her on Jakku.

I just don't believe that Luke is that terrible human being.

Maybe I'll be wrong but as long as I'm not obliged to see that Luke is a terrible person I won't believe it.

Betraying the jedi code, betraying his daughter, betraying the force is a little bit too much even if obviously most of the Skywalker are evil beings.

 

most of the Skywalkers are not evil beings, though it admittedly it does feel like a small margin ~ hahaha

Shmi: not evil
Anakin: evil, but turned good
Luke: not evil
Leia: not evil
Ben: evil for the moment.

 

Anakin turned good ? He killed his master. He had a smile 10 seconds before dying after wiping most of the galaxy ...

Maybe Stalin smiled to his wife before dying, does that mean he turned good ?

Shmi is irrelevant and Leia should have been a terrible mother to see her son falling to the dark side.

 

yeah, he did. in ROTJ. that was kinda the point with him. he returned to the Light.

kids fall under bad influences all the time. that doesn't make their mothers evil.

as far as the Skywalkers go, really Anakin has done the most damage. Ben may give him a run for his money, but we don't know yet what he's capable of.

so to say most of the Skywalkers are evil is false. even discounting Shmi (sure, why not, she's not FS), and discounting Anakin (for whatever reasons), it's still at best a tie at the moment. fair enough?

 

Why do you belive Luke was the one who let her on a crappy planet?
He might've thought she died. Would explain why he didnt search for her.
Or she is just simply not his daughter.

 

The force is weak in that poor Luke.

 

After watching TFA several times, I'm starting to think that scene in the rain w/ Kylo is a vision of the future. The next thing Rey saw was Kylo in the snow & she ended up facing him in the snow at the end of the film.

Your thoughts?

 

Well, Sidious hid his sith lord self and got in power in the front of 10.000 jedi including Yoda. Also Anakin turned to the dark side right in the front of Yoda awell, without him helping, or doing anything.
Counting those I wouldn't be supirsed.

 

Why not.

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Sidious had the power to hide himself. Rey was a child ...

But we do agree on Yoda, Windu etc ... They were blind as s*** !

Vader wasn't able to see his own daughter in front of him too.

 

actually, there's a scene between those two: her abandonment on Jakku. while i do think there's a chance that the rain scene is the future, everything else in the vision is distinctly in the past, seeming to lead up to the encounter in the snow.

 

To me it looks as if it's questions Rey (on behalf of the audience) is supposed to pursue now that she has Luke's lightsaber.
1. What happened on Cloud City? (partially answered)
2. What happened with Luke and R2 before he disappeared? (partially answered)
3. How did Ben Solo turn into Kylo Ren? (not yet answered)
4. How did she end up on Jakku? (not yet answered)
5. Why should she confront Kylo Ren? (he injures her friend - and maybe he abandoned her on Jakku - and maybe he is already responsible for a massacre and Luke's grief?)

Rey's flashback to Jakku was in between two visions of Kylo Ren, so I don't think it preceded both in time.

 

I just had this thought...

What if some of Rey's visions haven't happened yet? What if a few of them are yet-to-be?

 

But then what about Her hearing Vader and Luke Skywalker fighting on Bespin ?

 

I'm not saying all. I believe most of what we saw are past events.
But could, say, the lightsaber-through-the-chest be from a future confrontation?

 

You all bring some interesting points of view and I enjoy reading them. It'll be interesting to see in VIII how these force visions will come to light. Hopefully most if not, at least some of it will be answered.

I do like the idea of the force vision being this...we saw a vision of bespin/cloud city where Vader and Luke's duel took place so we know for the fact that event did take place as well as the shot of R2 and Luke whereas perhaps the vision of Kylo Ren and the KOR is part of the future that has not happened yet...maybe parts of it has but parts of it hasn't. Remember Yoda's line in Empire? "Always in motion is the future..." so that being said, I like the idea that Rey's vision might be part of something that has yet to have happened that will most likely happen in VIII and IX.

 

Wasn't there a quick vision of her in a forest and swing Kylo Ren there which THEN a happened later on in the film ?

 

In an article that came out shortly before the film was released it was mentioned the writer was on set for the day the Kylo and Knights of Ren rain scene was shot, and Kathleen Kennedy and the crew were calling it a "Forceback". As in a Force generated flashback. So I think it's 99% certain that scene was a past event.

 

Yes, there was, after Ren sees herself as a little girl. Ren, with sabre in a snowy forest. I believe it's the last vision before she comes out of it.