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OFFICIAL NEWS Disney didn’t Use George Lucas’ Ideas for The Force Awakens.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Jan 20, 2015.

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    This just makes me so sad. I wish George was involved...and I hope hope hope they've kept his basic story ideas. Otherwise I feel like it's just not "real" Star Wars, just a fun fan service.
    This would be like George RR Martin leaving an outline for ASOIF for someone to finish...and then they just threw out the outline and ended it how they want to please fans. Unacceptable.
     
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    They might have made a lot of modifications but I'm pretty confident they have respected George's basic plot outline, I can't imagine JJ and Kasdan just completely disregarding his ideas.
     
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    You know what is really sad? Maybe it was the fans reaction that led to this...
     
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    I know that I will get lot of hate for this, but well, frankly, the fans are bunch of immature assholes.
    I do aknowledge George Lucas for what he's done, and yeah, for example, Jar Jar and romantic plotline in Episode 2 are pain in the ass, no contest,
    but I wonder, how most people can simply send clear ''F**k you'' to a man, who is a visionary, made two cult franchises which we love and yeah, did a few misteps in the Prequel Trilogy. Ridley Scott got simmilar hate for Prometheus, recently, Akira Toriyama gets simmilar hate for new Dragon Ball series in US.
    Foremost, they are creators and I do respect that. If I don't like something, then well, I don't and I'd say that normally.
    I think that most of these angry people probably aren't cool to hang with in a normal life either, if everything I see from them is:
    ''Rah, rah, rah, this guy who created the Star Wars destroyed it, it's bad, bad, bad!!!'' and ir's like the only comments on the internet repeatedly...

    Just chill and enjoy what you like :)

    On topic: I am a little afraid about the fan-servicey story that they are doing for Force Awakens in the light of so much ANH references there, including a bigger Death Star.

    PS: I saw Episode 1 in cinema, when I was 11. Loved it. Mind you, that I saw OT before and was a huge SW fan already. Was in cinema on Episode 2, loved it, I was 14 years old. I think that kids don't have those problems with those movies as most old timers and more adult fans.
     
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    Funny thing, if that has any truth to it, is it was probably just the small but loud portion of the fan base that whined and moaned, too. The rest of us just chill out and enjoy the saga that George created.

    For my part I hope TPTB stuck with the outline or spirit of George's ideas for the ST and just made it/them better.
     
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    Jett Lucas: "I already know what happens." "Ohhhh [spilling the story] can't happen." "Who doesn't want to see Han Solo cruise through on the Falcon again? But at the same time, maybe he's teaching his son how to drive on it. I don't know." (October 6, 2013)

    What we've seen that we're getting is this

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    This makes me very sad, even Lucas himself has hinted that Disney's new movies will be all about action and re-treading things..

    I enjoyed the story for the prequels, it was the execution which was wrong. I am worried that Disney are going to get a few things fundamentally wrong when it comes to the messages of the films.
     
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    At least we could be pretty sure we will se a complete new story. No Lucas at all. This will be great for the haters and bad for the followers....I wish I could read someday the original story.
     
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    Sometimes a fresh approach is the best approach. And I feel like this is one of those times.
     
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    I was thinking about George's question to JJ: "What happened to Darth Vader's grandchildren?" and I have to admit my first reaction to that was "WHO CARES?!!" Then it suddenly dawned on me what the problem might have been. George was intending to tell a specific story dealing with first: the kids of Darth Vader, then Darth Vader himself, and finally the grandkids of Darth Vader. The problem was (I think) nobody really cared about Vader's story! As a kid, Vader was a bad guy; pure and simple. He had a kid name Luke who turned him good again; FINSHED! That's all I needed or even WANTED to know about him. After ROTJ, I wanted more Luke, Leia, Han, Lando, Chewie, R2, 3PO and all the other characters I had invested my childhood years into. I didn't give a FRAK about Anakin or Obi-Wan or anything else that happened before Star Wars, and I think a lot of fans felt the same way. George was interested in his story, fans were interested in his characters (his heroes in particular) not his villans. Telling their story was what George wanted, and I think fans (Some fans at least) rebelled. That's when things got nasty and these absolutely idiotic statesment like "George Lucas raped my childhood!" REALLY? YOU COMPARIED BEING SEXUALLY ASSUALTED TO A MOVIE YOU DIDN'T LIKE? GROW THE FRAK UP MAN!!! It's sad that George had to experience stuff like that, especially when he was beloved by everyone before the PT's came out. I can imagine it must be difficult to see Star Wars making a comeback and not be a part of it. Or worse, fans welcoming a new Star Wars without George Lucas as if George was the problem. Like saying: " F -YOU GEORGE WE GOT YOUR S@#!% AND WERE NEVER GIVING IT BACK! F- THOSE PREQUELS, WERE GOING BACK TO THE REAL STAR WARS!!" Forgetting that without George THERE WOULD BE NO REAL STAR WARS!!! I don't think George was EVER the problem, only that he was telling a story, that I was interested in just one part of.
     
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    I think that usually the haters are more loud than the followers, thus it seems that they are big number. From my part - I had never anything against George. I´m not a hater. To me he is the maker and he remains the maker. Period. As for what happened next - it never crossed my mind. Ever. It was the end of story. When new episodes were announced - I hoped for something 50-100 years in the future, with new characters, new villains, no Empire, no Stormtroopers. When they announced the holy trinity to come back, I just hoped for the best. And I hoped there will be a continuity. George´s story made by someone else. I don´t know what to think after seing this. It is clear that we will see a complete new story with no George´s influence whatsoever. I would be more happy if the original story would be made. It´s not and I can´t do nothing about it. In few weeks we sill see the result and maybe we will live long enough to compare it with George´s story.
     
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    I'm... conflicted on this.

    It's too easy to blame Lucas for the prequels, which - honestly - were quite bad films. Interesting ideas, but awful execution. But the idea that the original films were good because other people were "reining him in" is bull. You go back and read those old interviews from the 80's with people like Kasdan and Spielberg talking with him, and they shoot out these absolutely awful ideas at an incredible rate, and Lucas is the one anchoring them. Hell, it was originally Kasdan who wanted to see Yoda flip out the lightsaber and be a warrior, with Lucas urging restraint and reinforcing the idea that Yoda was supposed to be a teacher and not a fighter. So something went actually wrong with Lucas in between ROTJ and TPM outside of the lack of other people helping him. As to what? We'll (probably) never know.

    But completely scratching his vision for a theoretical follow-up to ROTJ seems like a bad idea, especially considering it was Michael Arndt who was writing the script, and Arndt is a great writer (and dialogue, regardless of era, has always been Lucas' weakest point). But I guess that was all thrown out the window for Abrams and Kasdan's concept? I don't know man, the only way that seems okay is if the Lucas/Arndt treatment was absolute trash.
     
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    Well, adding Finn into the mix is probably the direction he didn't want to go, because Finn is not a descendant of Vader, and yet here's a new young guy who evidently has the Force. So it's not all about the Skywalker lineage anymore. But the Star Wars universe has outgrown the little soap opera George envisioned, and I think Finn is a great addition.

    Now I am a little concerned about his remarks regarding TFA being for the fans. What does that mean, exactly? Didn't fans love the Star Wars he created? We've turned it into the most profitable movie franchise evah. So I don't get that. He must mean a certain segment of fans, and I don't know which segment that is. I just have a bad feeling that it might not include me. :(
     
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    George wanted Boyega.
     
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    George Lucas perhaps would have been upfront in telling you who the grandchildren of Vader were before the movie ever came out. Pablo Hidalgo brought up Abrams's mystery box which is a different approach. Abrams is the kind of person that looks at The Phantom Menace and thinks it would have been better if the characters had alternate names or had hidden their last names.
     
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    Yeah Lucas started blabbling about Vader being Luke's dad while at the ANH premire. :p
     
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    That was a retcon.

    As Hidalgo points out in that podcast, it wasn't as big of a secret that people think that it was. There was just no widely available internet to spread it around.
     
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    I can't feel bad for the man.
    his complete lack of passion about star wars gave us the prequels, and a garbled mess of an EU.
    his incessant tech obsession gave us the "special editions". look I know ultimately these are his. he has every right to make do what he wants.
    but for the first time since my childhood I feel excited, I might get what I want.
    And look it isn't like he didn't get paid handsomely over the years and ultimately by disney.
    but his "attitude" lately reminds me of Jay leno after leaving the tonight show.
    just go away graciously
     
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    Yes it was but then he told only Hamill not even Prowse and kept it secret for a year.
     
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