SPECULATION Episode II and III are depressing movies.

Not really there are no good or bad movies, I like their romance even if it doesn't end well.

 

1) That's just not true. There are such a thing as good and bad movies. As well as mediocre, it's so bad it's good, etc.
2) Okay, actually go into detail why you like that romance. And I mean detail. Not a few sentences and done.

 

I'm tired but since you asked nicely
The romance in the prequels is quite old fashioned, you might be aware of courtly love except it subverts it, Anakin is young Padme is older which means, she's experienced and has the power in the relationship due to his age in II. And that's quite interesting, anyway it's definitely not the love you/hate you with nonsense banter, or stuff like that. It's different yet sorta of the same, this is a relationship between a senator and a young Jedi, who is forbidden to get married. She is basically his mistress wishing to prove his commitment through tests, I suggest you look into it a bit more!

 

Okay, part 2, tell me this: why does Padmé fall in love with Anakin? Cause I simply can not understand this aspect. Especially after aforementioned unrepentant slaughtering (like animals!) of an entire village. No, I will not let that go since that is a pretty big thing to ignore.

Also, I still have to say this, but that's not how people in love act. I have loved and been loved in return. And not once did she or I made big speeches about our love. Not once did either of us shift uncomfortably around the other. And typically, we were close, emotionally and physically. There is none of that. The lack of realism in their relationship (regardless of what kind of romance) destroys any investment we could make in said relationship.

 

The Prequels are not the best films. I think RoTS is a all round stronger film than Episodes I & II.

Yet I still love them. I grew up with them and because of that I kinda look over their faults. I still spent hours replaying the scenes from the prequels when I was younger. The Prequels are obviously not as good as the Original trilogy, but I wouldn't exactly say they're depressing.

 

They both have a passion to "fix things" think about it, Anakin wishes to not only bring peace like Padme wishes, but to keep the ones he cares about from dying. Anakin is someone with problems and he is someone she wishes to fix, something her son inherits when he similarly wants to help his father. Lars garage scene is good example, they relate to each other, oh yeah Padme and Luke have similar views and comments on Anakin. What Anakin did to the villagers was inappropriate, nobody is ignoring it will you please calm down about it. I like to point out that they do love each other, but as George said "she fell in love with wrong guy", meaning it should not have happened!

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Is that you or someone else?????

 

Again, there's "I can fix him" and then there's "Holy blast, this guy is kriffing crazy."
I'm too lazy to create a second account.

EDIT: Can we change the forum censor to change f*** to kriff (the old Legends replacement)? That would be more appropriate and funny.

 

Well Anakin was crazy in love so......

EDIT: Did you not read what I said? Who's kriff?

 

What is your question specifically aimed at?

 

There's nothing in Padmé's character that says to me that she would fall in love with Anakin on a "I can fix him" level. It's also why I get super angry (one of the few times I actually DO get angry at the prequels instead of disappointed) when she gives up the will to live.

Also, I actually explain what kriff means in that very post. It's the Legends continuity's equivalent to a certain swear word that beings with the letter F.

Counterpoint: Would these movies have made as much money if they weren't called Star Wars?
Also, it's not the technology that we hate (though it doesn't help at times). It's the story, the characters, the acting, etc.

 

I never heard of it, until the internet told me, It still is a VOCAL minority and PT and OT are no different from each other. Most of them were grownups, but I noticed that kids that grew up with them are speaking up nowadays.

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You actually, I feel like it's someone else, telling you what to type instead of you, I always get these vibes.

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Speak for yourself I should tell myself that too, Like I said it's a vocal minority, that spends more time on the internet, complaining about nothing, instead of critiquing. I didn't even finish and you still never read what I just said, why does Luke want to save his Father? It's the mostly the same with Padme, you be surprised how people can die of a broken heart, although there were supposed hints she died of something else.

 

Maybe this was the idea and it might even worked on paper, but it just didnt work on screen. Making a good love story in a movie is extremely hard anyways, and imo ep II failed in every single aspect possible. There was absolutely no chemistry between Hayden C. and Natalie P. at all, the acting was beyond horrendous and those dialogues are one of the worst ever written.
Padme fell in love and married a guy who she knew for like 4 days, and during those days all the guy did was bitching about his job and yelling about how he murdered an entire village of sand people in an incredibly awkward manner.

Take Rey and Finn for comparsion. There wasnt even supposed to be a romance between them, but there was real chemistry on screen. That how it works well in a movie.

The hate was there from the first day. Internet is just a place which gathers this informations and mediate it towards you.

 

I'm sorry but I was laughing when you said chemistry between Rey and Finn, the acting and dialogue was worse in TFA than the 6 movies. You think it failed, nobody else except people who have similar sentiments feel that way. And I still didn't finish what I was talking about!

 

There was chemsitry. There was real friendship and caring. TFA managed to convey real chemistry and emotions, despite it didnt even intend to tell a romance.
As for the acting, it is going to be impossible to underdo the prequels. Just look up how many worst acting razzies did those movies win. Poor Samuel Jackson and the oscar winning Natalie Portman acted like blank whacks...
And even till this day the imfamously terrible dialogues from the PT were never underdone by any blockbuster.

Sorry for replying to you, I thought we could have diligent conversation, but it seems you are one of the few raving PT fanboys who think the prequels are flawless masterpieces and will never acknowledge even the objectively bad parts of it (like the terrible acting, the horrendous dialogues and the very bad love story).
You should visit the Star Wars Prequel Appreciation Society.com. Thats where your kind hides.

 

I'm a lover of all the 6 Star Wars films and based on what I'm hearing you can't handle what I'm saying. First of all the OT trilogy particularly TESB and ROTJ were not well received when they were released, only nostalgia minds made it that way. Second I never said they were perfect films, because it doesn't exist it's a limitation, if you think like that then it means no growth. Third of all anyone that are fans of the PT love the OT, I am a student of learning not hating, I wish to learn with unbiased thinking and getting to the point. Whatever your opinions are means nothing to those that have a need for knowledge, this a Star Wars Cantina where fans should have the right to love what they like, and to not be disrespected for having different opinions. May the force be with you, and peace be your journey.

EDIT: I meant no disrespect to anyone that love TFA.

 

I was six when The Phantom Menace came out. I did grow up along with the PT. It still sucks. And it's not a vocal minority. And it's not just people who were adults when The Phantom Menace came out.
Again, there's a difference between wanting to redeem your father and marrying a unrepentant psycho.

 

It is whether you like it or not, don't believe me go out in the streets. And how is he a psycho I forgot?

 

yes. that's kinda how it works, doesn't it?

i'm confused about this statement. how do you mean "not well received"? by the critics? by the fans?
i was there and we received it pretty well, i think. made an Empire of it. based our life's philosophies on it. wrung an entire EU that sprawled for decades.

just as a counterpoint, i was also there when the PT came out. and to be honest, it was not received well. did fine at the box office, but critically and for the original fans it was generally an unhappy experience. fortunately many people in the new generation picked it up (and some oldsters) and loved it enough to keep the fandom alive and the rest of the OT crowd kept their torches burning.

but to say ESB and ROTJ were not "well received" is not really accurate on any level i can think of. they were event movies before event movies existed.

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this would be awesome!

 

I like your point of view and I always try to look for a balance.

I agree that the prequels have their flaws but they have a purpose. You can love them or hate them, but we cannot ignore the fact that they are canon and they provide the background for the characters we love.

I just read the following article which I found quite sensible:

http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2016/05/the-quick-and-easy-path-politics-and-the-force/

From that point of view, all the information we received from the PT makes sense, taking a holistic approach.

Please someone make a GIF from Ezra reaction in this clip!

It is exactly what went through my mind when I read that.

EXCUSE MEEEEEE?

You said it way better than what I could say. But well, here is my testimony.

Back in '99, I saw Episode I, I found it OK - but just like a "one-time event".

I didn't see Episode II, just didn't care enough to go to the movies to see it.

I saw ROTS at the movie theatre in 2005 just because, found it entertaining but that was it.

So far, until November 2015, that was my contact with Star Wars, 2/3 of the PT and none of the OT.

One day I saw ANH. And the next day I even stayed late watching ESB and ROTJ. I reckon I would not have stayed late for any of the PT. But that's just me. Maybe ESB and ROTJ didn't get all the money the prequels did, but they inspired a generation and the following generations. At least, they inspired someone like me who would jokingly boast of not having seen the OT to become a staunch Star Wars fan. (Maybe the Force awakened for me too, on that sense!)

If you love the PT, good for you. If you hate them, good for you too. Anyone is entitled to their opinion. And I can see the purpose of the PT: but that won't make me pretend there was chemistry and romance where it wasn't any the way it was in the OT.