RUMOR General Star Wars: The Last Jedi News & Rumors Thread

if they are like the convorees, which MSW says they are, then yeah they could be. Convorees in the movies might be "force related" rather than just being birds.

Filoni:

 

Adam Driver stated in an interview that TLJ had the same feel as ESB. I'm confident that RJ will not go that route.

 

He said it is going to have a different tone like ESB did from ANH.
Never actually said it was ESB or felt like ESB other than in click bait articles.

 

Exactly. A number of places jumped in what he said and twisted it to imply that TLJ was going to be like ESB when really what he said was just what you referenced.

 

i honestly think MSW have nowhere near the same info for TLJ that they managed to get for TFA - and they likely could be riding that wave of interest from TFA with little tidbits of info to get clicks. i mean in the last few 'big drops' of info on TLJ its been stuff about Luke and Rey's clothing and some vaguely put-together scenes involving the KOR/Luke/Rey, that have tonnes of 'from what i could see' and 'from little context' caveats... so im starting to doubt the position in which some here (and elsewhere) think that the Acts are/could be positioned, namely that first Act that many think will include the KOR/Kylo/Luke/Rey. for me, it just doesnt work with what we know going on in the narrative. Kylo has just been maimed and needs to train as per Snoke's words. i highly doubt, although he's characterized as 'erratic' and 'unpredictable' - that he's going to kill Hux (who presumably picked him up after his beating) and fly to the Ach-To to have a go with Rey + Luke. i can definitely see it happening if it was reported that the KOR went there in the first Act as they were sent by Kylo or Snoke. but it hasnt been reported like that. and how it was reported is even more fishy. so after Luke pushes Rey to kill Kylo, they separate. then what for the rest of the movie? it doesnt really lead me to believe that theres going to be a climax that surpasses Act 1. it all just doesnt sound right to me, but otherwise would work if say, it is the climax. that way you have the very likely (imo) parallels of training (Luke/Rey Snoke/Kylo), you catch up with the Resistance and possibly introduce us properly to what remains of the New Republic. you do the same with the FO, whilst setting up who and how Act2 and 3 will play out: ie - the conflicts.

after Act 1 in TFA we clearly know that it is going to be a film where our new protagonists are going to be hunted for the rest of the film, all the while information is being sent to the two sides Big Dogs: ie - General Leia and Hux/Kylo/Snoke, eventually leading to a conflict between those two sides on SKB.
in ANH you had the same feeling after Act 1-2. in TPM it was the same.

i could be wrong, but it doesnt sit right with me that we're going to get this hectic battle at the start (not THE start) of the film, between the two characters that JUST fought (like in-universe, literally a few days) and then separate them - and the 'teachers' from their 'students'.
im aware that this sounds like i am expecting a student/teacher angle, or that we'll see Kylo and Rey train - and i do to a certain extent, but if they do not - something crazy has to happen on Kylo's side for him to defy Snoke/reject his teachings, likewise with Rey or Luke if neither of them want to train with the other...

 

There were pieces of concept art leaked more than a year before the release of the Force Awakens. We've seen nothing from the TLJ although I think that will change soon. When this site was first put up, before we even had these forums, Viral Hide was eager to post any little bit of news. I think that Viral Hide and Jason from MSW have also matured and become more reserved and I believe it has to do with the relationships they have made with Lucasfilm as well. The intent of this site is to now report and help promote content from Lucasfilm, not leak it.

 

I think Lucasfilm has just closed that door. Ward posted recently how he was refused a media pass at a lucasfilm event. I think they discovered the leak and have made it much harder this time. He might have some stuff and a source but it think he is either under heavy scrutiny which means he can't release much or risk exposing sources or he can only get scraps. It's a fact that Lucasfilm know about the site and that it was the no.1 place for spoilers. Hamill even mentioned them at a convention! Strikes me that LFL would make moves to plug that hole.

 

Considering how little we have to go on: Here's my stab at the 3 acts, in broad strokes

Act 1: Set up the action and get the characters to the meat of the conflict, this includes introducing the new characters
Act 2: Put the protagonists in an impossible situation
Act 3: Get them out of it

So......
Act 1: Luke and Rey training, Kylo and Snoke plotting revenge against their enemies, Political fallout from the Hosnian tragedy, Finn on the mend and sent on a mission with Poe. First Order in space, Ach-To, and Dubrovnik

Act 2: Opens with the attack on Ach-To (maybe right after if this is the end of Act 1 instead of Dubrovnik) by Kylo Ren and the KOR, Dubrovnik sends Poe and Finn on the next part of their quest after learning the intel in act 1 and barely escaping with their lives. Luke/Rey leave now that their cover is blown...Act 2 is now about the collision course that puts the heroes in the same room together with the bad guys. Act 2 ends with the reunion of the new big 3, Luke and Leia on screen together

Act 3: Split mission. Luke and Rey embark on the "will of the Force" quest and (maybe an impatient Rey taking off on her own against the advice of Luke) Either Poe or Finn in big trouble, and somehow we set up a meeting between Leia and Kylo. Even if it takes reshoots this has to happen. Otherwise, they save some Carrie Fisher footage and get creative editing that into IX. Final confrontation ends in a draw.

Something to consider that both AOTC and ESB didn't have any major space battles, the heroes were mostly split up for the bulk of the film, and both had a developing love interest among main characters that were introduced in the previous episode. Finn/Rey is the obvious answer, but maybe too obvious?

Other big questions for me: How does Del Toro fit in? Does Phasma finally get to do something cool or is she destined to become the equivalent of Boba Fett? Who does Chewie partner up with? I don't think he just hangs out on Ach-To while Luke and Rey train. Who loses a limb? Do we find out Rey's parentage?

 

MSW info

http://makingstarwars.net/2017/01/episode-makingstarwars-nets-now-this-is-podcasting-5/

To listen to the section go to the 30 min mark.

• Finn goes undercover and wears a First Order officer's uniform
  
  
• They cover the Tom hardy rumour. They still believe that Tom's storm trooper character doesn't know of the betryal and because finn is in a FO uniform congratulates him for a promotion/being undercover due of the uniform.
  
  
• MSW also suggest that the rumour about space bombs (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/09/a-brief-look-at-star-wars-episode-viiis-space-bombs-sequence/) is related to finn's undercover mission. Possibly on the "red planet with snow" that MSW has discussed for weeks now.
  
  
• KMT and Finn space horse scene is related to chasing two of the citizens in tuxes on Dubrovnik.
  
  
• Lastly, MSW also clarify Del Toro's is not being chased by KMT/Finn, he not in a tuxedo.

 

essentially. They mentioned how they felt like the new info was coming together to give them a better look, at least with finn and KMT.

The interesting part seems to be this new red planet. They haven't written about it on the main site from what i've seen, but it's been a podcast discussion 2-3 times now.

on episode 165 around 40 mins in

1. Last summer Jason heard about a new planet
2. Planet was FO with Snow trooper generals
3. There was a cut out section of the planet where they built a city into the walls of the planet
4. It was described to him as "mars with snow"
5. It was a "techno city built into the walls" and he seemed to call it brutalist architecture, but i'm not sure if he meant that exactly.

 

I understand that you are just the messenger, but what the hell are "the walls of the planet". Cities built in the side of a mountain or cities built in holes in the ground I can understand, but planets do not have "walls"

 

The artificial cavity, in which this city was built, has got steep walls on its edges. This is probably what he meant - edges of this hole.

 

Here is another sum up (posted on reddit. Edit. Source is no longer available) @Ninjabeans shared with me:

"The planet has a trench. It's like Starkiller but instead of it being a base it's a "techno city" styled in the brutalist fashion. The city is built "into the trench."

 

and then MSW corrected that "trench" didn't actually mean DS trench or Star killer trench. It's literally a long corridor cut out of the planet. As far as i can tell from their podcast description in Episode 166, thats how they left it right now.

 

A work-in-progress Star Killer 2.0? That would go over well

I doubt it is that, just sayin' is all.

 

Ah, okay- thanks for clarifying, @Charlie07!

 

nah, the way i'm picturing is something like this, but everything is built below, not on the surface.

 

Thanks everybody - @Pawek_13 @RockyRoadHux @Charlie07 - for your clarifications! So, it is similar to Utapau, but a trench instead of connected holes and more "technology"?