RUMOR General Star Wars: The Last Jedi News & Rumors Thread

All cards are in play when it comes to Rey's parentage. I just think it is very elementary for a Force ghost to know a Force users name - essentially, they are like gods.

 

In regards to Yoda, we hear Yoda say "Its energy surrounds us and binds us" which Yoda uttered while training Luke on Dagobah in Empire Strikes Back. Yoda's line does not seem to be directed toward Rey as Obi-Wan's very clear call to her "Rey?".

In regards to Anakin, I wouldn't have a problem if he contacted Leia because she is of course his daughter. A direct connection. Anakin also could very well have learnt about Leia through communicating with Luke, Yoda and Obi-Wan.

However with Rey, we don't know why Obi-Wan contacts Rey and specifically asks "Rey?" as if he is asking "Rey is that you?".

Why would Obi-Wan contact Rey if she was a total stranger?

 

And how would he know her if he died before she was born? He doesn't have to physically know her. The Force used Obi Wan to speak to her. If he knew her then why doesn't she know him? She didn't say to Maz"I heard Obi Wan call to me." She never gave a second thought because she had no clue who it was just like she thought Luke was a myth. Obi Wan doesn't know her except when reaching out in a vision.

 

I repeat. My question is not how Rey knows Obi-Wan. My question is how Obi-Wan specifically says "Rey". The only way he can say "Rey" is if he knows who she is. Force ghosts don't just float around contacting random strangers to complete tasks in duty of the force. Obi-Wan specifically chose to speak to Rey in this exact moment and that hasn't been addressed and discussed in any threads.

Yes Obi-Wan was already dead long before Rey was even born so somehow Obi-Wan is aware of Rey's existence and my theory is that she is potentially bound to Obi-Wan through ancestry.

Perhaps one of Rey's parents was a Kenobi?

I have yet to discover a good enough reason to how Obi-Wan knows Rey's name.

 

No

Not true. He doesn't have to know her at all. How do you know what force ghosts do and don't do? I didn't know there was such a rule. Sounds like a fan fiction rule. Obi Wan doesn't know Rey. The force can guide Obi Wan to whom it pleases. He's one with the force, so since it was called"The Force Awakens." Naturally Obi Wan's voice was more of familiarity with the the audience than Rey anyway.

And I will repeat too. How would he know her? I already know, by the force

 

It may have been the Force manifesting in the voice of Obi-Wan. Or something.

 

By reading the wiki about force ghosts. Force ghosts don't just automatically know a persons first name without prior knowledge of the person they communicate with. It's never happened before where a force ghost has contacted a stranger on first name terms. If so, please show me an example.

 

wiki is not canon

 

What the hell dude? That has nothing to do with my point and you haven't addressed any of my questions. I'm not here to argue so please just go away if you don't want to have a proper discussion. Thank you.

 

There's nothing in the Wookiepedia about it - neither in support of or contrary to. So it's just a matter of what you chose to believe.

 

Force Ghosts were the result of an individual most commonly a Jedi that has specifically trained to remain partially outside of the nether. Not just a representation of the Force. How can Obi-Wan clearly saying "Rey" have no significance even for Rey??

There is no example of a force ghost contacting anyone (even on a first name basis) without a prior knowledge of the person they attempt to communicate with.

 

Agreed - nor is there anything that says it's not possible. There's no "Force Ghosting 101" documented anywhere. So it's up to each person to decide what to believe.

 

I will end this discussion with this as I haven't sparked the kind of discussion I was hoping.

This particular wookieepedia page contains information about force ghosts from both cannon and legends all on the legends page. For some reason the canon page has a very minimal amount of information but you can differentiate between both cannon and legends all on the link I've provided.

Main points I took from this page about a force ghost:

• While it could appear to anyone it wished, a spirit could not choose to become audible or visible to only some beings and not the others, since the ability to perceive the manifestation depended on the beholder's strength in the Force.
• Sometimes, a particular Force ghost would bind itself to a Force-sensitive as a guardian spirit for the purpose of providing wisdom, continuing training, and offering aid.
• It also had the ability to travel instantaneously to any point in the galaxy by force of will. That power, however, required that the spirit be familiar with the destination. The presence of the Force at the place of arrival was also necessary for that ability to work, since it acted as a beacon

I picked these points because it implies that Obi-Wan specifically through his own will chose to contact specifically Rey. My question is why. Anyway goodnight friends <3

 

If you look at - percentage-wise - how little screen/story time there is in the new Canon regarding Force Ghosts, the bottom-line is we know practically nothing about them - relatively speaking. So it's short-sighted IMO to use absolutes like "They can't know [x]" or "They can't do [y]". There simply is insufficient data to make such hard definitions.

 

It's totally insane to just assume the force has told Obi-Wan "There is a girl called Rey, you must train her."

Surely you have to understand that this was the will of Obi-Wan himself.

There is more than enough "data" to ask the question and to not just class Obi-Wan's knowledge of Rey as insignificant.

 

Actually it's just silly and leap if Obi Wan knew her. No, she's not his daughter or granddaughter. There would be no reasonable explanation fro it. Did her parents know him and they sat around talking about her as he watched and listened? Doubtful. Other than the force he would not know her.

 

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Just to be clear - I agree with you 100% that it is possible that Obi-Wan somehow had advanced knowledge of who Rey was. And yes, he might have told Luke to take her to Jakku. But I am trying to say just that - it is a possibility - not a given fact.

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"It's totally insane to just assume the force has told Obi-Wan "There is a girl called Rey, you must train her."

Where did i say anything like this? Again, you are dealing in absolutes. There's no definitive proof either way.