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Has TFA lost some of its luster since coming out on home video?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Chairman Kaga, Jul 12, 2016.

  1. sbs87

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    Maybe a little spoonful of late 70's early 80's George. That seems impossible now. That guy that made those movies a few years back can stay away from the ST.

    If there is one thing you can say about the ST and the look of it is, it will definitely age well. The use of more practical effects etc. really look great. The OT still doesn't really look old to me and holds up pretty well. The older the PT gets the crappier the CG looks and the more it looks like Star Wars characters on the set of A Bug's Life.
     
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    I agree. My hope is that Luke has taken a proactive exile (which it sounds like is the case, if he truly did find the first Jedi temple and that helps him gain more knowledge/power) and not a reclusive one like Yoda did. I want him to still be trying to fix his "failure" with Ben/Kylo, not to have given up completely. I'll be a little disappointed if Luke is so jaded that Rey has to spend half her time recruiting him back into the fight. I mean I kind of expect that a little, but come on... it's time for Luke to shine.

    All in all, I think TFA was a great first act. It excited the masses, there were plenty of good parts, some bad, and plenty of questions still left to answer. Lots to look forward to!
     
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    To be fair, in the real world, . we tend to use our ships for over 51+ years at a time and just refurbish them if we want to use them more.
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    TFA has around 2,200 shots while ROTS only has 1,269 animated VFX shots, AOTC only had 2,000 and TPM had around 1,981.
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    I didn't like a lot of the line delivery in some parts of the movie .
     
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    it's not the number of shots, it's what's in them.
     
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    It's also the quality of them...the only reason it could hold up for TFA now is because we've gotten into the territory of affordable photorrealism..
     
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    Yeah, that's what I was thinking in terms of an in-universe explanation. But, of course the real reason is JJ Abrams didn't want to take any risks when it came to TFA, and that hurt it the most.

    One of cool little details of the PT was seeing the ships 'evolve' into their OT counterparts over time. Tie Fighters and X-Wings and stuff still could have been kept, but the shape could have been slightly modified.
     
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    And that evolution was in a span of 13 or so years .
     
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    I watched the Force Awakens again while on vacation and it had been about 3 weeks since my last 'viewing' of any sort (while at home I've rarely sat down and watched all 2+ hours of it in one sitting but there have been times when I've had it on in the background all day) and I enjoyed it so much I wanted to immediately watch it again. I think it might be the easiest of them all to re-watch, I'm not sure if that's just because it's the newest.

    Yet to me it's not the classic that A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back are. I boil it down to: It's just an introduction to the new characters. Yeah they go on an adventure. I happen to find it a really fun and exciting adventure but something is just missing. Certainly there are some specific things that slightly bother, things that have been previously mentioned here, some of the dialog, for instance. Ultimately I think it's just missing the charm/magic of those two (IV and V).
     
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    I actually like it just as much now as when I first saw it in theaters. I really enjoyed it from the first viewing, but I always thought that it had its flaws. Things like not really properly explaining the relationship between The New Republic, the Resistance and the First Order. Also, had there been more proper setup done on Han and Ben's relationship their scene together would have had more of an emotional punch to it. Little things like that hold it back from being a truly great movie, but it was still a really good movie IMO.

    One other thing though, I think the movie will probably look better in retrospect once we get to fill in the dots on the mysteries that this one lays out in later films.
     
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    The criticisms of this movie are every bit as lame and short sighted as they were when it first opened. They can be taken apart with ease. I never expected this movie to be another Empire. But what I got was a movie that thrilled me, made me laugh, tear up, gave me chills and gave characters I could actually like and care about. In other words, it gave me everything the prequels did not. No cringing, no unfunny alien slapstick, no boring politics, no cliched romance dialogue, no lifeless acting performances and overuse of CG. The prequels had critical flaws that made them fail as films. The Force Awakens did not. Of course, the naysayers needed something to find fault with the enormously critically and popularly successful film, and so they started parroting one another endlessly that the film was an ANH remake. At no point watching the movie did I think I was watching another ANH. That movie was about delivering the secret plans to the Death Star to the rebels so they could destroy it. This movie was about tracking down Luke Skywalker before Kylo Ren did so that he might aid the Resistance. Destroying Starkiller Base was essentially a subplot. They, of course, ignore all the parallels, replicated visuals and plot similarities between the other two introductory episodes, The Phantom Menace and ANH, and the common Joseph Campbell formula that these movies all adhere to. But that was the main criticism that they decided to run with, and to them, it makes the movie suck in their view. Yes, I will admit TFA was in large part, homage. But homage can be done well and an admirable effort. And TFA was, indeed, done well. It's goal was to reintroduce an audience into a world we hadn't seen in a long while after being burned by the prequels. And now that we are firmly back in that world, we can move forward intro new territory, in which I have every expectation Rian Johnson will provide.
     
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    The thrills and chills are definitely there. Rey force pulling that lightsaber to her hand was maybe my favorite moment of anything Star Wars.
     
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    But it's so ranom at least as of now.
     
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    And then later she's like "The Force?" to Kylo, like it's such a revelation to her. Yeah. That thing you just tapped into a few moments ago. The Force.

    So I think I get your point but still that part when she pulls the lightsaber out of the snow just fills me with emotion. In a good way.
     
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    I saw it 4 times in the theater and 8 times on Bluray and I still enjoy it. I have seen it enough now where I would rank it ahead of ROTJ now, but ESB & ANH are still the best.

    TFA is just a fun movie and I think alot of fans are missing it. SW was fun in 1977 and so was ESB, but ROTJ & the PT started to take themselves too seriously with the whole Darth Vader storyline.

    The good guys should always be the central focus of a SW movie and TFA Harkened back to the roots of the OT (specifically the first 2 movies). I still enjoy it after a dozen viewings, and its all that matters as when you try to start looking at the big picture and tying the movies together, you're overanalyzing it.
     
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    i wouldn't call it serious...I'd call it "world building"..
     
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    When you try to tell a Shakespearean Tragedy of a character in the form of the ol serials that Lucas grew up with, they just come off uneven.

    Old serials are fun movies that don't take themselves too seriously and that's what succeeded in the OT & TFA. The only way the PT could have been told was to a mature audience that wasn't geared for kids like a movie like Platoon.
     
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    Well the entire point, according to george lucas, is the backstory of anakin skywalker...how a simple kid grew into the monster in the OT so there wasn't a way to make it "fun" and "lighthearted" and "not too serious"
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    This.

    My view of the film has certainly mellowed out some with repeated home viewings. In the theater, I didn't really care about the much-talked-about "New Hope 2.0" quality of the story, and it still doesn't bother me enough to ruin the movie. But it's definitely harder to ignore when I watch the film now, and I can't help feeling a bit disappointed that a third of this trilogy was taken up re-spinning the wheel of A New Hope. Was it good? For sure. Did it improve on many of the prequels' faults? For sure. But I wouldn't say it paved much in the way of interesting new ground for the series, which is a disappointment since it had 6 movies to pick up the reins from.
     
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    I respect what George was doing but you can't tell an adult story in the ol serial form that appeals to audiences as it will come off uneven.

    Dramatic movies that are essentially character studies are always adult geared movies with a more serious tone. You don't make a movie like Schindler's List for all ages or you will compromise the true power of the drama. Those movies are usually rated R and not made for kids.
     
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