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How do you interpret the prophecy of the chosen one

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by FallenAngel, Feb 1, 2016.

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Does the title chosen one imply inherent goodness?

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    ok so what do we put in to the scales that can literally change the balance of them.

    who are the applicators of the NEUTRAL FORCE that can make a shift.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 18, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 18, 2016 ---
    forceusers?

    jedi and sith do you agree
     
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    But it's the FORCE that is in balance and out of balance - not elements outside of the Force.

    So the scales would be like this when balanced:

    Light Side------Neutral Energy------Dark Side.

    No, this is where you are going wrong.

    We are told the FORCE IS OUT OF BALANCE. The Force is an energy field. Created by all living things. The energy is unbalanced. Not the Jedi or Sith.
     
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    lets just set up what we are discussing logically

    do you agree force users, jedi and sith are the only people that can upset the balance of the neutral energy (that we call the force)
     
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    The Jedi and the Sith are the beings who can access the power of the Force and with it influence events that take place. But they are not the Force itself. And it is the Force (the energy) itself that is out of balance.... That is what we're talking about.
     
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    no remember we are talking about the prophecy how it was fulfilled. by some one or a legacy bringing balance.

    you have to therefore subscribe to the notion there actions bring balance you are just being pedantic now.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 18, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 18, 2016 ---
    for a prophecy to be fulfilled about bringing balance a person or bloodline has to be able to bring that balance threw action. or it would not be able to be fulfilled
     
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    What? I asked you - why is the Force out of balance or what causes imbalance?
    I am waiting for you to answer that.

    Only when we understand why the Force is out of balance can we then discuss how the prophesy works and whether Anakin or whoever restored balance.

    So, what causes imbalance in the Force? Stop dodging the question.
     
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    do you agree therefore the jedi and sith as the users of the force, are the applicators we are talking about.
     
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    Listen, I have gone around in circles with you. Jumped through all your hoops. Just answer my 1 question to you:

    What causes the Force to be out of balance?
     
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    do you agree they are the people that can shift the balance.

    its very simple yes or no.

    remember we just agreed we would define are point for clarity, which is what i am doing.
     
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    Yes (although if another non FS being brought about galactic wide despair then that would imbalance the Force as well). But the Jedi and the Sith are the beings with the most power to influence events in the galaxy and put the Force out of balance (in the case of the Sith) and back into balance (in the case of the Jedi).
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 18, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 18, 2016 ---
    Again, one last time - what is imbalance? Explain to me how the Force becomes unbalanced?
     
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    ok so when the scales are empty they are balanced agreed.

    why do you keep needlessly taking on to your posts
    answer the question, i have been attempting to for the last 10 posts. but by first forming agreement of common facts.
     
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    How would the scales be empty?!

    The Force is what is unbalanced. The Force always exists. Something is on the scales. Always. So how does the Force become unbalanced?

    We have your scales.
    The Force is on it.
    One one side is the light side. On the other is the dark side. In the middle and insignificant is the grey/neutral energy.

    What unbalances that?
     
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    ok fair point. see why definition is useful it stops misinterpretation,
    the scales could be empty if there was no one to manipulate the force.

    no sith or jedi. it would be in homeostasis. this is how best to describe the scales being empty

    do you agree
     
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    No I don't agree. The Force exists outside of the jedi and sith. It will always exist.
    And there will always be a light side and a dark side with or without the jedi and the sith.
    Non FS can impact upon this balance (although it is much harder without being able to harness the power of the Force) by spreading evil.
    Thus unbalances the good and evil sides of the force. More evil than good.

    Again - I am asking you a very simple question:
    In your opinion, what causes imbalance? How is the Force unbalanced? What happens to the energy for it to be unbalanced?
     
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    well thats simply not true, all people are capable of good and bad.

    but people are described as force users for a reason. it is about people who use the force to cause radical change in the environment they inhabit.

    again i am trying to answer but you ar tying to obscure simple facts by meaningless digression.

    the jedi and sith we agreed apply the force, therefore are the people that can cause imbalance.

    if we cant agree we need to stop and clarify this more till we agree.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 18, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 18, 2016 ---
    the scales could be empty if there was no one to manipulate the force.

    no sith or jedi. it would be in homeostasis. this is how best to describe the scales being empty

    do you agree
     
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    Let me rephrase it.

    What is happening within the Force itself for it to unbalance? Define what balance means within the Force.
    I am not talking about those that have the power to create imbalance. I am asking what it is for the Force to be unbalanced?

    Here, I will give you my answer:

    Light Side------Neutral-------Dark Side

    When the Force is unbalanced it means that the Dark side is empowered and the light side is weakened.

    The balance of the Force is when it's elements (dark side and the light side) are equal or in the correct proportions.
    So if it is unbalanced it means that, most likely, the dark side isn't equal to the light side energy - but is more than it. It is, for want of a better word, heavier.
     
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    brilliant, you mean like when there equally opposed?
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 18, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 18, 2016 ---
    any way lets carry on with the scales.

    the scales could be empty if there was no one to manipulate the force.

    no sith or jedi. it would be in homeostasis. this is how best to describe the scales being empty

    do you agree
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 18, 2016 ---
    i think we pretty much agree up to this point on most things.

    if we see how it is empty

    we can define when in balance

    and the when unbalanced.

    from there we can fully look at what causes the unbalancing. but lets define as we go and stay on the same page.
     
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    No we don't agree.
    At all.

    You just won't be straight. Define what balance of the Force means? Define what it means when the Force is out of balance. How is the Force out of balance? What is happening TO THE FORCE?
     
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    what we agree on is all the things we have defined since using the scales.

    what don't we agree on?
     
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    No we don't agree on that. You keep putting the Sith and Jedi on the scales. You keep saying without jedi and sith there is nothing on the scales.

    The Force is what is out of balance.
    The Force is an energy field created by ALL LIVING THINGS.
    So ALL LIVING THINGS, not just Jedi and Sith - create the Force and the different elements to it - dark, light and neutral.

    My point is that if the force is unbalanced it means that the dark side of the Force (the dark side energy) is stronger (weighs more) than the light side.
    The Force is balanced when both light and dark energy are equal in the universe.

    Your definition is....?
     
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