How do you interpret the prophecy of the chosen one

I don't have a clue what you're talking about to be honest. You just keep dodging my question. I will rephrase it for the last time and then I am done here.

When "whoever" (go with your bloodline idea if you like) brings balance to the Force, what is it they actually do that restores balance? What happens to the Force itself to balance it? What does balance mean in terms of the Force?

 

Yes, they are the key players in manipulating events in the galaxy which in turn brings balance or unbalance.

Now, define what a balanced or unbalanced Force is.

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I've explained my view clearly:

Balance is when the Dark Side and the light side of the Force are in equal proportions.
Unbalance is when the Dark Side is stronger than the light side.

Your turn.

 

I'm done. You either see what I am asking you will show that you are wrong OR you just don't get it and never will. Hence no answer. Either way I'm out.
I have answered all your questions. Time and time again. And you won't answer one of mine. Just one. Define what balance of the Force is?
Very simple. Yet no response. Just some nonsense about Jedi and Sith not being on the scales.

Like I say, life calls. I'm done.

 

I didn't say balance is anything to do with equal proportions of Jedi and Sith. This is what you simply don't understand.

My point is and always has been that balance is about the light and dark side of the force being equal - not equal Jedi and Sith.

This is why I keep asking you to tell me what causes imbalance in the force. And you took 2 pages plus to "answer" that without actually answering it.

 

No. No. You're missing the point entirely.
The jedi and Sith are the key players in influencing the events that cause imbalance or bring balance.
E.g. The Sith start a war and this empowers the dark side which is then unequal to the light side of the Force.

You keep on about numbers of Jedi and Sith and this corresponding to the balance.
The Jedi and Sith use the Force. They are not the Force itself. They are not the balance or imbalance. They just influence what happens to it.

My question is what does it mean for the Force to be out of balance.
Specifically - what happens to THE FORCE for it to be classified as out of balance.

Again my answer from day dot has been that the Dark Side energy that is created by all living things is empowered above (is more than) the light side energy within the Force. This is the unbalance.

Now, just answer this question without going on about god-knows-what for ten pages: Define what balance/unbalance in the Force is.

 

At what point there have I suggested the balance is anything at all to do with there being equal Jedi and Sith?
No where. I thought you'd get that after a hundred + posts on the subject.

We are talking about how the Force, THE FORCE, THE. FORCE. IS OUT OF BALANCE.
The Force is AN ENERGY FIELD CREATED BY ALL LIVING THINGS.
IT'S THE FORCE THAT IS OUT OF BALANCE. NOT THE NUMBERS OF JEDI AND SITH.

So what is happening within the Force for it not to be balanced?
That is the question.
My answer, yet again - the Dark Side of the Force is empowered over the light. They've become unequal. Because the Sith influence things to spread evil everywhere.

And your answer is....????????????????????

What the hell?

Can someone independent trawl through all our posts and back me up here? This is ridiculous.
What on earth is nominalisation?

Do you think the light side of the Force is the jedi and the dark side of the Force is the Sith? Is that what you think?

 

Right, firstly I said the Force is neutral to hurry you along. But really, my meaning was that it is neutral in that it isn't sentient. Not that it doesn't consist of light and dark energy.

Now to the point - you are saying that there isn't a literal dark or light side of the Force.
That the light and dark side is only what is in the minds of people/jedi/sith.

This is where we differ.
The light side and dark side is the "good and evil" in people. Their thoughts. Their desires. Their actions. But it is also clear that the Force itself has a dark and a light side. That the energy these people omit that creates the Force itself, is both "good energy" and "bad energy".

If this wasn't the case, if there isn't a literal dark side or a literal light side then the Force itself wouldn't be balanced or unbalanced.
And that is the point. The prophesy is that "the Force itself will become unbalanced".
And the Force is the energy field. So this energy must then consist of two sides to become unbalanced - the dark side and the light side. If it was just one pool of neutral energy then there isn't anything to unbalance. It will just always be neutral.
The starting point is indeed the non-literal. It's the dark and light in us all. But the energy people omit is the energy that forms the Force. And that then consists of light and dark.

So I shall ask you again - what it is in your view that disrupts the balance of the Force? What is it that is unbalanced?

 

Your premise is fairly flawed though, yeah? Jedi and Sith don’t equal the Force. Force users exist irrespective to what names they arbitrarily give themselves. They’re just made up constructs designed to better quantify those that align best with the two opposing aspects of the Force.

If there were no more Jedi or Sith, you’d still have Light and Dark Side affiliates out there that could potentially upset the balance. The idea is that EVERYONE is tied to the Force. Some are merely capable of a more pronounced communion with it than others. The nature of this communion can be largely negative or positive and affects the Galaxy as a whole in proportionate fashion. There’d be no such thing as ‘empty scales’ in this scenario unless there were no more living things.

 

And just to be clear, my interpretation of balance of the Force is one of two prominent thoughts on the matter.

My view, considering how all life creates the Force, is that the harmonious state of the Force consists of the dark side and the light side (and neutral in the middle). I think this because, there will always be good and evil and without one the other could not exists. And considering how life creates the Force, it strikes me that the energy this life creates would either be of a dark, light or neutral consistency. For instance, if people are happy they create good energy. If they are sad they create bad energy. Without the influential Sith causing despair across the galaxy these things would be largely equal. Thus the dark and light energy within the Force itself would be equal. My view is that the Sith throw this out as they empower the dark side so much it becomes more than the light and thus is unbalanced.

I like that idea, I think it works. It doesn't contradict the movies.

However, the other notion and one I could certainly accept is that the Dark Side itself is a corruption. That the harmonious state of the Force is the dominance of the light side. That the Dark Side is a cancer that must be eradicated. It's destructive. This would essentially mean that balance refers to the unity of all living things living in a balanced state. As @techsteveo mentioned a few pages back a balanced diet isn't the balance between eating 50% bad food and 50% healthy food. Nor is a balanced bank account about being both in the black and red. Balance is a peaceful, healthy, prosperous condition in this regard. That too makes a great deal of sense. In fact this quote from Lucas would back up this POV more so than mine:

"[...] Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."

But the vital thing here and the central point of my thinking is that it is the Sith that cause imbalance and the Jedi restore the balance (by destroying the Sith or powerful evil doers whoever they may be). It has nothing to do with how many Sith and Jedi are alive.

There are only 2 possible interpretations of balance that work, don't contradict the films and chime with Lucas' thoughts:
Equal dark and light side (energy) within the Force.
The dominance of the light side and eradication of the Dark Side within the Force.

 

Nah I'm good. Spent too long going over this.