How do you interpret the prophecy of the chosen one

Yes. That's what the Jedi believe after the Sith emerge again. They interpret the prophecy to mean that the chosen one will destroy them and bring balance.

Your turn. Do you agree with Lucas that Anakin was the chosen one and brought balance by destroying the Sith?

 

ok great, my turn. Is this the interview you believe George makes this statement?

What does George describe Specifically in relation to the prophecy?

 

That and many other quotes. I meant your turn to answer the question...

Do you agree with Lucas' assertion that Anakin brought balance by destroying the Sith?

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@playswellwithsharks Do you agree?:

"Which brings us to films 4, 5 and 6, where Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe."
--George Lucas

"As evil begins to take over, it pushes the Force out of balance. It's easier to succumb to evil than it is to be a hero and try to work things through on the good side. Evil is inherently more powerful—it doesn't have the burden of worrying about other people. What Luke sees in Darth Vader at the end of ROTJ is something that I thought was worth understanding: the idea that Darth actually was a very good person. Except he's slightly more powerful than other people and when you get into that situation, your ability to do evil is much easier to come by."
--George Lucas


I think it is obvious that [Qui-Gon] was wrong in Episode I and made a dangerous decision, but ultimately this decision may be correct. The “phantom menace” refers to the force of the dark side of the universe. Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy, but the individual who kills the Emperor is Darth Vader—also Anakin. The tale meanders and both the prediction and Qui-Gon are correct—Anakin is the chosen one, and he did bring peace at last with his own sacrifice. Luke couldn't kill the Emperor himself, but he could make Anakin reflect on his life and kill the Emperor.

— George Lucas, Cut Magazine, 1999

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No response?

 

I think there never was a prophecy related to Anakin doing anything, how balance was brought was never specified in the movie. So the act of destroying the Sith does not equate to the restoration of balance. After all this is not literal numbers.
I asked about how George relates the prophecy because he is not quoting the prophecy. He is actually quoting the jedi's view. Wether you believe it to later be correct will always be speculative because there was never a requirement to be met that involved the destruction of Sith.

Yes I believe Anakin could viably be a Sith chosen one. In the trilogy that created the prophecy, in the sith's darkest hour, one arose that destroyed the Jedi and Brough balance to the force.
This could be adapted to broaden out so his son is the counterbalance to this, keeping in line with O.T too.

 

So to sum up so far:

You believe balance is something to do with the Jedi and Sith sharing equal measures of force power/their use of the force.

You disregard Lucas' comments where he says Anakin fulfils the prophecy (thereby explicitly revealing what the prophecy is) by destroying the Sith.

You also in the same vein reject Lucas' assertion as quoted above that as evil takes over it pushes the force out of balance.

Interesting. Final question:

When was the force out of balance and as an extension when was there balance?

 

Isn't that what were debating.
When there is a movie made, I form my opinion on what I watch yes.
There was never a requirement that involved the Sith being destroyed put to screen. Do you understand that people are fallible, the opportunity to create the vision he had was at the time he made the film not in interviews after it has been badly received.

 

Hey it's your opinion. You disagree with the guy that created it. Fine. Please answer my final question above though.

 

Iet me draw your attention to something you conveniently seem to be missing.

What you are actually saying is you believe part of Anakins destiny to be in destroying the Jedi. If it was indeed as you believe his destiny.

I also agree Anakin could viably be the chosen one - so we both agree
I also agree with your view that Anakin was destined to destroy the Jedi. (as a logical extension of beliving him to have a destiny)

We have also agreed there is no prophecy that exists that requires the destruction of the Sith.

 

And finally there you go again! Backed into a corner you come out with your misquoting and question evasion! Ha! Well done you.

No, as you're well aware I don't think Anakin's destiny was to destroy the Jedi. And I'm afraid I do believe there is a prophecy. Clearly my posts indicate (which is more bizarre as they don't support your view at all) that Anakin was born the chosen one, destined to destroy the Sith should he so choose. In the end, he did. It's very basic stuff though I'm quite ashamed at forgetting that you're likely a troll.

Nice try. But you just revealed your true, infantile colours again Fallen Angel. I disagree with everything you say and what you put in those very odd little videos.

We're done here. I should've known better.

 

@master_shaitan let us assume our selfs to be representative of the average movie goer. We will pay for a movie watch it and know no more than is contained in the movie.

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But you don't realise thats the view you espouse when you believe Anakin to be the destined chosen one, as the chosen one every major event that happened happens for a reason. One major event was the Jedi purge. So you do I'm afraid, you just don't realise thats what is compounded with your view.

 

Do yourself a favour and stop now. I won't be engaging in another debate with someone who pretends to be someone else, rejects the intentions of the filmmaker, ignores canon and can't see simple plot points occur on screen.

 

Wow, That's the biggest over reaction I have ever experienced.

 

Just cuz Lucas said something doesn't make it the Holy Writ or irrefutable doctrine of Star Wars! I have to emphasize this point. Star Wars is to be interpreted in many ways by different people that's what makes it great, cuz it's a Fictional Universe who many people help to create alongside Good ol George. Plus the prequels kinda contradict the OT when it comes to the Force in some ways.

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Chill bro this is supposed to be fun. were all just fans tryin to have a cool expirience online, I respect your opinion George Lucas is awesome, but I would appreciate you if you would respect others opinions as well.

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You need to respect others opinions and stop being a SW elitist please I'm trying to have civilized conversations.

 

Someone predicted something would happen, and it did.
Everything else is just a distraction, really...

Balance is restored, natural order, harmony.
The prophecy has to be accredited to *someone* - it doesn't matter who or what - the point is, it didn't exist before or without the person or persons who created it. It is just an observation. Just because it is an observation of events pertaining to the Force is no reason to presume the Force itself is in some way responsible for there being a prophecy at all.

Just because characters within the movie are vague about their interpretation or understanding of the prophecy, is no reason to presume the prophecy is any less specific and explicit than the filmmaker has expressed it to be.
By that, I mean trains of thought such as "how can it be balance if the Sith might come back again?" or "what was Palpatine doing that was so different to other bad people doing bad stuff in the past or in the future?" are total red herrings.
In other words, no-one prophesised all those other things. So what?
Doesn't make the prophecy we learn about any less valid, nor does it mean there cannot be imbalance and balance, good and evil all fluctuating and being erroded and restored over and over through time in a GFFA without someone having happened to have prophesised it occuring.

Races are being run all the time. Whether I happen to predict the winner of the 2.30 at Cheltenham tomorrow or I don't does not change the outcome, or have anything to do with any of the other races that have happened or will happen.
And just because I didn't also predict (or even try to predict) the winner of the following race, or predict that my winning horse had to be put to sleep shortly after it won - or any number of other random eventualities - does not in any way detract from the fact that I made a prediction and it happened to be accurate.

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I think the term Chosen One certainly would imply the subject is "chosen" to do something beneficial, from the POV of the prophet.
But I wouldn't presume that this means they are, or need to be, inherently "good".

 

What I think was being established was simply there is only one prophecy put to screen. There is no requirement beyond the restoration of balance in its fulfilment.

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Yes certainly an interesting point for discussion. We are used to seeing the chosen one represented as the hero. I believe this was a strength of the prequels, it reversed the perspective on the chosen one trope.

 

Many things are open to interpretation and to be honest people can take away anything they want. But if you read back over the posts you will notice how I was setting out my POV, that is in line with Lucas' comments, but then this we called out as "inconsistent". All I can say is that it isn't inconsistent and the fact that the maker of the films says the same things is an indicator that it's at least a good interpretation. The issue as well is that if you take another point of view, say that Anakin wasn't the chosen one, then this flies in the face of everything we see in the movies. You may as well argue that Jabba is the chosen one. Intriguing but not something I'd wish to get involved in personally! The views of the maker can be incredibly enlightening in helping to understand a scene and open new ideas.

How does the pt contradict the ot, out of curiosity?

I do. Just not this guy. He's been banned for his behaviour previously. It's subtle. But devious.

 

First of all I never said Anakin wasn't the chosen one. I said the Jedi Order had no clue what the chosen one thing really meant. I'm not going to respond any further your getting too consumed in this discussion, and your exaggerating every bodies comments.

 

Umm, I didn't say you said that. I was referring to what pws said. My above post was about his comments to me, nothing about what you've said.

 

@master_shaitan
Unfortunately this is systemic through out your comments. You decide something is true, without basis. You then use this as the foundation of sand you rest your argument on or in this case use as justification for admittedly disrespectful behaviour. I have repeatedly had to ask you to not be insulting as have other participants in the discussion.

People are going to have different views on a forum, its the basis for intelligent discussion, this should not be cause for personal attacks. And because you fail to recognise when your contradicting your self I will highlight a simple fact. When you say.

Then go on to make an exception, you actually don't.

 

I think the point I was trying to make was that the prophecy is just a bunch of words, it is not the events themselves.
The events happen - or do not happen - regardless of someone making a prediction about them.
For that reason there is no point making any distinction about there being "a Jedi POV" of the prophecy... because that is the prophecy.
The prophecy IS the Jedi's perspective on events. A prophecy is not a tangible thing that exists independently of people observing and interpreting it - that process of analysis is what makes it a prophecy.

Look at it this way. I'm an Arsenal supporter. What if I make a prediction that one day a football player will be born who has two left feet, and he will guide my favourite team to win the league.
Many years later, after I am dead, someone - for whatever reason - remembers my prophecy. And, lo and behold, this player with odd feet comes along, plays for Arsenal, scores 100 goals in the season and Arsenal win the league by a huge margin.
Anyone observing, could say "hey, look, the prophecy came true..."
But that is always going to be an intellectual process. The events themselves are not interested in there being a prophecy, they happen regardless. And the prophecy certainly didn't make the events happen.
As part of that intellectual process, people can try to dilute the prediction versus events and rationalise whether the prediction really did come true: Arsenal are a team, you can not say one player alone guided them to victory. What if I supported Arsenal but they were not my favourite team.

You can pick holes with regards to how the prediction matches up with events all day long - the point is, the prophecy is not a real thing, the events themselves are the reality. In this scenario, I cannot come back and clarify my words. "Yes, I meant Arsenal winning the league. And, yes, I when I said guide them to victory, I meant he would be the major contributing force in terms of goals and effort on average throughout the season..."
It doesn't happen like that. It's all interpretation.
And even more importantly, there is no reason - at the point I make a prediction - to presume that I have any more insight or detail than the words I choose to articulate. It is just a prediction. Even if it is informed by some kind of magical foresight, the prophecy is still "the words that come out of my mouth" not "what I was actually thinking in my head at the time".
And that is a very important distinction.

Anakin is born. Anakin does appear to have been created by the Force itself. Anakin does kill Palpatine. And Anakin does bring balance to the Force. The person who made the films has told us this is what happens in the films he made - it doesn't really get much clearer than that.
Saying "Lucas was only talking about the Jedi POV of the prophecy" doesn't actually mean anything. That is what a prophecy is.
The events above might (or might not) have happened regardless of someone predicting them.
The prophecy does not *exist* outside of the context of someone being aware of it and being able to observe and rationalise whether the criteria laid out by the prophecy had been matched. A prediction has no other context, and no other use, other than the use people have for it...
While the Jedi in the films may have been having doubts about how the prophecy should be interpreted, ultimately it is about interpreting the events in relation to the prophecy, and it is pretty clear they seemed satisfied that the frame fitted the picture in the end...