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How powerful is Luke Skywalker in TFA?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by kayjaysay, Aug 12, 2015.

  1. kayjaysay

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    Seeing as Luke is said to have the same Force potential as his father, who of course had the greatest Force potential of all time considering he was the one being in history borne from it, it stands to reason that thirty years post-ROTJ, Luke is fairly powerful, no?

    I'm not saying he's necessarily at EU-levels of power, where he was manipulating black holes and downing Star Destroyers and the like, but considering how far/quickly he progressed given the extremely limited training he was exposed to in the OT, you'd think bringing that demonstrated ability/pace to its natural conclusion means he's easily the most powerful Force user ever.

    If he could nearly lift a submerged X-Wing out of the water with mere days of Force tutelage under his belt (albeit about three years of awareness of his Force abilities, which remains utterly remarkable), what can he do with decades and decades at his disposal to hone his abilities and reach his potential?

    Now, what MSW has said about Skywalker's arc in more recent articles has somewhat contradicted this piece . . .

    http://makingstarwars.net/2014/11/star-wars-episode-vii-state-luke-skywalker/

    . . . but what's stated there does present an intriguing prospect as to Luke's state circa Ep. VII. Thoughts?
     
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    Over 9000, probably.

    On another scale, if 10 is the highest and G is the lowest, he's easily a B.5

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    ROFLOL....tears.....nothing but tears.....LOL...is that?.....not going to say it....You deserve every trolling rating you get! Bahaha haha.
    Seriously though. If the force is just getting up, there better be some Super-Uber-Mega-7th tier epic - every cheat code entered - end boss-"I killed Vivic" level badies ready for Luke.
     
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    Serious answer though- EU power levels were and are stupid. It affectively turns him into superman. I don't think they'd go down that route in any event and any suggestion as to how strong he now is with the force would just be implied. Think about Yoda when he lifted the X-wing in TESB. How could someone so small lift such a relatively big object. If he could lift that, what else could he do- that's the magic of the force.

    The mistake Lucas made with the force was in the PT when he tried to quantify it. What he did damaged people's concept of the force.
     
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    I'll jump in on this.......
    Sci-fi.......the science part implies quantifying half the name...hence: Trekkies.
    Didn't like medichlorians, but I get it. Bigger picture kinda stuff.
    When Yoda lifts the X Wing we shouldn't be suprised after Vader very confidently states how weak he thinks the Death Star is compared to the power of the force.
     
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    You left out the fiction in the sci-fi. The series would also be better described as sci-fi fantasy. The PT did considerable damage to the fantasy part of the equation and movies in general. I would bet that you'll see no mention of medichlorians in any Star Wars movie going forward.

    A lot of people feel like the the PT should be ignored and they're quite happy to do that. When you consider all the plot holes he created with them, it's clear (to me at least) that he was making blast up as he went along. Medichlorians are a by-product of that.
     
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    He is more powerful than you can ever imagine!
     
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    I thought I made a good attempt at balance and proved your point. I mentioned a Lazer moon blowing up a planet being belittled by a magic worshiper. The PT attempted the "Sci" part with the OT being the great "fi" part. Your graph was a huge inspiration in this post. Just loving SW I guess. I compared a quantified force to the main characters sad devotion to an ancient religion. Luke informed some skeptic all pilot, with mathematical comparisons, how easy it would be in the physical world to destroy the DS. He'll need some sick "fi" to take down DP....which we are all counting on.
    (What have you all turned me into?...lol)
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 12, 2015, Original Post Date: Aug 12, 2015 ---
    I should have just said that.
     
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    The graph is actually a good picture of how someone should describe the force, funnily enough.
     
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    That graph is deadly. It needs a "you are here" arrow to point out where each lurker is on the "how powerful is Luke" question.
    This should have been a poll with a link to each voters graph results.
     
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    Considering what might happen (academy wipe-out) i'd say it's very likely he would be the "most powerful" jedi. The question becomes, to what degree? Has he actually reached yoda's level of force abilities that we see in ESB?, there is no official "canon" claims to his power yet. Some of the Journey to TFA books might fill in the blanks, yet I think episode 8 might delve more into that as he gives exposition to rey in training
     
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    Luke will be as powerful as screenwriters want him to be.

    The thing is, that OT and PT had totally different approach to show how actual path to becoming Jedi looks like.

    Luke had few learning sessions with old Ben, and then few days of learning with Yoda. This extremely short training prepared him to face and defeat a Sith Lord.

    On the other hand his father supposedly force sensitive dude with most potential in know history, who was trained for years in proper Jedi Academy still could be beaten by Dooku or later Kenobi.

    If we combine learning speed of Luke and potential of Anakin we would create an nearly omnipotent being.

    In other words looking for logic or figuring out power levels make no sense at all. AT ALL.
     
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    He will be as powerful as Anakin Obi Wan & Yoda knew & saw that in him, but is anger is just as powerful, let see which defines him.
     
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