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SPECULATION If Luke could come back to Jakku to find Rey, why didn't he/why didn't Rey go back and wait for him?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by curlytoot, Jan 10, 2016.

  1. curlytoot

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    MAZ
    "Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back. But... there's someone who still could."

    REY
    "Luke."

    So... Why didn't Rey just go back and wait till Luke was ready to come find her on Jakku? And why did Maz look disappointed when Rey ran off? If Rey was heading back home to Jakku, then Luke could still come and find her there, anyways.

    TL;DR This quote is interesting in that it proves that Luke knows where Rey lives.
     
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  2. curlytoot

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    Also, it raises the big question of...

    Why wasn't Rey super surprised to be correct, that LUKE SKYWALKER could potentially come looking for her someday? All she knew of the Force at that point in time was that the lightsaber granted her a weird vision; she had not yet begun to actively experiment with using the Force. So there would be no reason for her to think of herself as Force-sensitive/a future Jedi. Wouldn't that come as quite of a shocker, to find out that the last Jedi in the galaxy could come seeking her out? Yet not only is she not surprised; she herself is the one that mentions Luke! To go from being a mere scavenger to having the guts to namedrop a (what she until recently believed to be) mythical figure as someone that would be looking for HER... It just doesn't really seem believable.
     
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    Well Maz mentions Rey's family and the context suggests that is someone other than Luke. However Luke can come back not to Jakku for Rey but back to the fight. So far we don't knwo why Luke never left Ac-too.
     
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    Right, the context suggests family... But then Rey says "Luke".
     
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    Rey say's Luke and not father btw!

    just saying
     
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    Maz says basically the people (her family) that she is waiting for are never returning and Rey knows it.

    Maz then suggests Rey can play a role in someone coming back . . . not for her but for the Galaxy. Maz is offering her a look at the destiny she fears. Which would be bringing back Luke Skywalker. Rey is not suggesting Luke is her family.
     
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    that's what I am thinking but not what I want
     
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    Hm. I see what you mean. Here's how I hear Maz's quote:

    "Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back [for you on Jakku]. But... there's someone who still could [come back for you on Jakku]."

    I don't see why we are to assume that "coming back" at one point refers to Jakku but seconds later, suddenly not...?
     
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    Well Maz is trying to prevent her from going back and waiting on Jakku. Rey wanted to go back and wait in denial. "I have been away too long." As if the people who had not returned in 15 years would be back in the hours she was gone. Maz is saying don't go back to Jakku there is no use in waiting there. Your future is going on to solve the mystery she stumbled into.
     
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    While we are talking about the first part of Maz' speech...
    I'll go ahead and throw that seldomly-mentioned second half in there:

    "The belonging you seek is not behind you. It is ahead."

    Please tell me how else i am supposed to interpret this, OTHER than Maz telling Rey to let go of a family that is never coming back for her, and to embrace a new destiny - Luke.

    Everyone is so jonesing for her to be luke's daughter, that they can't see the bigger picture -- That they are still going to get the family story they are wanting, but in a different, and more powerful way.
    Rey had a family, yes. But she will come to see Luke as her family.


    the evidence is overwhelming:

    - she thought luke was a myth.
    - she didn't know the jedi were real.
    - she knew the name han solo as a famous smuggler, but did not know him by sight.
    - she did not know the trash ship she had seen for years was actually the falcon.
    - han did not recognize her. Han was going to drop her and finn at the nearest planet. Only the mention of luke got him involved.
    - when rey is kidnapped, finn has to convince the others to recue her and not just blow up starkiller with her on it. Leia says, and i quote, "han told me about the girl. I'm sorry."
    - in the movie, The Force can now awaken someone to its abilities. Why do this - create new aspects to the force- if rey has inherited powers?
    - no one in the movie ever tells her who she is. Why? To preserve a secret for the audience? No. There's no reason to keep the truth from her. The truth was kept from luke in ANH, because of how his father was vader. What's the reason for keeping the truth from rey? You tell me, and we'll both know.

    - though they are not to be considered canon, multiple tweets from lucasfilm's pablo hidalgo have already cast very serious doubts that Rey was present or involved in any way when kylo turned and slaughtered the jedi.
    - best estimates have the massacre happening 10 years ago. Rey was left on jakku 4 years earlier.
    - for all we know, she sees these events in the Force vision, the same way she sees Bespin --- because the lightsaber was there.

    Reasons exterior to the film:
    - Kk and JJ both stated on two separate times that rey could have been cast as any race.
    - JJ abrams has said in interviews that TFA is the story of "nobodies", " disparate orphans" and "discovering new family."
    - when abrams first agreed to direct the movie, he told kathleen kennedy that the idea of a young girl, growing up and having no idea who luke skywalker was, intrigued him.
    - the name skywalker must live on. If lucasfilm were so interested in simply passing the name by bloodline alone, why make rey a girl? Why excellerate the extinction of the name? Unless they have something else up their sleeve - that the name takes on new meaning. And will be bestowed upon Rey, regardless of her lineage. It is a story of adoption, of belonging, of family, in all its different meanings.
     
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    There's another possibility: whoever left her on Jakku is not her family.
     
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    I think of it like this (and i think this is how it was supposed to be interpreted)

    "Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku, they're never COMING BACK.
    --insert long pause--
    "But there's someone who still could" (COME BACK).

    I think you're digging WAY to deep and taking it far to literally.

    "But... there's someone who still could [come back for you on Jakku]." <-- no
     
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    I interpreted that as Maz politely suggesting that the people Rey is waiting for are not her family and that they are dead. Dead people don't come back. Luke is her family and alive, he can " come back" from his alleged depression.
     
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    What if Lukr Skywalker is too injured to go anywhere and needs another force user to help him heal which is why he can't literally reach Rey ?
     
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    As has been stated above, Maz ALSO says "the belonging you seek is not behind you it is ahead." She also says "The light, it's always been there, it will guide you, the saber take it."

    She basically saying that Rey waiting on Jakku for whomever left her there is pointless, that Luke is her future and him "coming back for her" is more metaphorical. That he'll "come back" for her in the sense that he might return from his self-imposed exile BECAUSE of her, to be there for her, or train her, or whatever. Basically, some people take those comments WAY too literally.

    And in terms of the plot, Rey by this point knows (from Han's comments) that Luke left years before and hasn't returned since for any reason, which changes the context as well. AND, she just flat out doesn't get the chance:

    -She runs off into the woods, and gets captured by Kylo like ten minutes later.
    -She spends most of the rest of the movie on SKB trying to get off of said SKB.
    -She has to rely on the Force to "guide her" and save her bacon repeatedly, thus proving Maz's point.
    -Then at The Resistance base, she seems mostly to be concerned about/watching over Finn, her first real friend.
    -And then they complete the map and now know where Luke is anyway, so just going to him herself makes much more sense by that point.

    No hard to buy really.
     
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    I believe that Maz means that Luke can come back from isolation and join the fight. Not come back to Jakku to pick up Rey.

    This line indeed contradicts the possibility of Rey being his daughter. I think that since Maz is force sensitive she knows 1-2 things about Rey's parentage or if Luke has a daughter or not...
     
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    Not really. She pointedly says "whomever you're waiting for," which is an ambiguous statement. It mentions nothing about "parents."
     
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    I took it as Maz simply not knowing about Rey. She felt that Rey had a belonging to Jakku because of an attachment and she felt that Rey needed to learn the ways of the forec (in essence being like Obi-WAN Kenobi in ANH). Maz seemed to maybe try to guide Rey into using the saber eventually by trying to be motherly but giving her "tough love" at the same time .
     
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    ^You might very well be correct. She does say that "Han told me," so I think that her comments were more "general." Like I don't think that she knows anything about Rey's past specifically, she's just inferring things because, well she's smart, has been around for a long time, and is possibly FS herself.
     
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    It's like how she looks at Finn and says, "I've seen your eyes in mayne people..." and everyone took it as her suggesting that Finn is a clone/related to Lando or someone...I think she meant that she simply saw his braveado/character in many people she ahs encountered and knows that he will do the right thing, SIMILARLY how Rey will eventually reach her own destiny at the behest of Maz .
     
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