Intriguing new character named Aya

Except that I just said that we get multiple narratives in the Forceback, not one: the past and the future, from multiple perspectives; not just that of the lightsaber.

 

Sorry, but I’m not quite sure what you mean? Could you explain?

 

I agree that she’s the one who experiences the vision, but I don’t think that those can all be her own perspectives respresented in the Forceback. I mean, she heard Luke and Vader duelling on Bespin, for instance.

@Addi Ras I concur.

 

You make some great points, but let’s not forget that the Force being attached to objects and that attachment resulting in something is nothing new in the GFFA (Aftermath and the Acolytes of the Beyond, for example).

The Force showed Rey visions of both the past and future, but if some of those visions were attached to the lightsaber through the Force to show someone what happened before, even if it’s nothing more than a warning, then why wouldn’t it show that perspective?

It’s important to remember that more shots were planned to show how and why the lightsaber came to be in Maz’s hands, and that it was essentially the macguffin of the film. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if some of what we see in the vision (i.e. the Knights of Ren) are what’s left over of that backstory. I mean, Ewan McGregor didn’t voice lines for the Forceback until just two weeks before the film’s release: I think it’s pretty clear that the Forceback was never planned to play out in exactly the way it did until quite later on in the process.

I mean, even the “official” script and the novelisation deviate pretty heavily from what we’re shown in the film!

 

Pablo described in the Visual Dictionary that the cosmic force had been dormant and was awoken by Rey. The comsic Force deals with people's destinies. To me what happened was that, when Rey CHOSE to join the adventure and started to use the Force/be guided by the Force, she kicked that part of the Force (its will), back into action. When she came into contact with the lightsaber, which was a Force nexus/had a vergence around it, this connected her directly to the Force - the saber was a conduit. In doing this, the dormant Force erupted and Rey's destiny was revealed to her. She saw the future, the past and "old friends" long gone - all at once. Regardless of who she is, it is her destiny to leave Jakku behind, find Luke and become a Jedi. That was the destiny the Force gave her. And that will remain the same whether she is Luke's daughter, Kylo Ren's lover or the result of Kenobi's force ghost releasing some of his ectoplasm into some unsuspecting virginal desert dweller.

 

Actually, it only says that the Cosmic Force awakens during Rey’s and Finn’s adventure on Jakku. It doesn’t say anything as specific as “Rey awoke the Cosmic Force.”

 

Implied

Finn doesn't connect to the Force. However, I think this may have been another badly handled scene in TFA as the awakening apparently happened on board the Falcon. Could've done with a bit of Force music or slo mo - something to make us think, "huh, Rey just tapped into the Force".

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If I remember correctly, I think it implies that the awakening is to do with Rey discovering a "newfound ability" and only those who use the Force, Ren and Snoke, can feel the turbulence (I assume Luke did too).

Does this suggest that no one else has discovered the Force since Luke's Jedi were destroyed?
I'm not sure I fully understand what is going on here.

 

I know just being transparent with users who might not have the Visual Dictionary (and I cannot wait for TLJ’s!)

Actually, we first hear the Force Theme when Han is talking about Luke and his new generation of Jedi.

I think it was very poorly handled as an “awakening”; musically and visually, nothing hints that the awakening happens on Jakku. Before I read the VD (came out a day after I saw the film), I would have said that it occurred in Maz’s Castle’s basement.

With regards to your final comment, I have a post (cut from a mega-post, which got way too long, and much of which is being saved for after TLJ’s release) about the Force on its way later today

 

Spoiler tag???

 

1. none of that is "true" ~ it's just me spinning yarns.
2. or are you just quoting me to get my attention?
3. ultimately, this is a spoiler thread.