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Intriguing new character named Aya

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Nov 19, 2017.

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    Thinking about buying this book.
     
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    Great read, best SW book in my opinion.
     
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    This trilogy needs Rey to be daughter of Luke Skywalker and Aya Glon.
    Its saving grace, and unexpected, fulfilling.
    Luke had a love of his life.He probably didn't know she was preagnant in the turmoils that transpired, . he also by this disconnected from the ancient Jedi laws of celibacy,as it was a time for change,for the Flux (Aya calls herself also a Change, a Flux).
    He disconected himself from the Force later.
    But Aya was guided by the Tide, Force, and brough this child to life against odds.
    She knew this is for greater good, for the balance.
    This makes Luke the father.
    This makes Luke's deep sorrow and escape from everything more understandable .
    This makes Rey's powers obvious, and glorious who she realy is.
    In practice, a next chosen one, brought by Skywalker, but governed by the will of the Force itself maybe even against his will or intention.
    It makes glory of entire this trilogy, and retrospectively of episode VIII to.
    If only someone from Story Department could consider this (if they already didn't) instead of 2 drunkard no-one parents.

    .... bring the true magic and power of Star Wars back!

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    Interesting.. The 3 Luke's teachings (lessons) he has given to Rey, resemble the 3 quests he had on Planet Lew'el.

    I whish if more people would take time and read this book, so we can discuss it.

    This is obviously very important subject, the finest subtlety of understanding the TLJ story, and possibly key of entire trilogy.

    Thank you for participating in this advanced debate.
     
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    The Visit To Lew'el

    The centerpiece of The Legends of Luke Skywalker is a story bearing the title "Fishing in the Deluge." It's the one told by the most reliable narrator — the woman who was actually at Luke's side during the events — and it also seems to act as the cornerstone of Luke's own character arc.

    Millennia past, before even the time of the Jedi, a group of Force-sensitives fled to the oceanic world of Lew'el for sanctuary. There, they built an isolationist civilization dedicated to peace and submission to what they called "the Tide," and lived their lives untroubled by changes in the galaxy. Luke eventually heard rumors of the magic of this world, and headed to Lew'el in hope of being taught this people's ways.

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    The crucial difference between the Lew'el and the Jedi is that the Lew'el stress the need to trust the Force. They do not believe that it is necessary to act; rather, it is necessary to trust, and to be carried by the Tide. They reject the idea of light and dark altogether, instead referring to them as the ebb and flow of the Tide, each a part of the Force's nature. Although Luke was resistant to their teaching at first, he eventually learned that they may be right. As he noted, "You're saying that lack of trust that things will work out without my intervention is why I cannot catch the fish."

    It's a tantalizing hint as to why Luke would feel comfortable heading out to Ahch-To, even as the First Order launched a devastating attack on the New Republic. In the years between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens, Luke has learned to trust the Force that things will work out — even without his intervention.


    The story closes with a fascinating speech from Luke:

    "There are more ways to serve good than by fighting and confronting evil. You also serve the good by standing guard and maintaining pools of tranquility and peace; you also rebuke evil by showing that there is another way than death and violence. We are all connected through [the Force], and there's a time and place to rest, as well as a time and place to act."

    The words sound eerily prophetic, speaking of a time when Luke himself will abandon the galaxy and stand guard over the first Jedi Temple. In doing so, he will still be rebuking evil as he shows there is another way. The challenge for Luke will be to remember that, as he rightly says, there is still a time and place to act. Rey's arrival has summoned him back to the galaxy, and it's time for the legend to walk among the people once again.
     
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    Woldn't this be magnificent if true?

    Order of sequence, please follow.....

    1.Luke has exhausted his power after bilocating, he barely grips to the rock.
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    2.He looks at the shattered peaces on the rock, those same peaces that flew when Rey was on that rock.
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    3.He than lifts his eyes towards the sun...did he never sough a star before?
    It is a look of vision, he sees some aparition.He is surprised, with look of revelation in his eyes.
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    4.Next scene shows us ordinary star- Sun, however in front of it something is passing, its moving like a bird in a distance.
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    5.There is a surprise and desire in Luke's eyes in the same time.He is looking at something particular..in a sense of revelation.
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    6.All of this gives him strenght to sit on the rock as he craves to see it again.
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    7.Second red star appears behind the clouds,..but..,it is actually touching with first one.
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    8.He looks again below him,again those shattered peaces on the rock..like its a"puzzle".
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    9. ...He finally looks again in the distance.
    Luke is having epyphany, he now knows and understands everything.
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    10.In front of the first star there is again this same flying shadow, now larger, closer, in fact it appears now those are 2 shadows of avian,another one joined, flying one near the other.
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    11.
    Luke is complete
    "wind-trusters"
    His body disappears..
    .....and his robe flies away taken by the wind.
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    I need HQ video....

     
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    Please watch this, using the point of view shown in the previous post.






    This , if true, makes this film ,and entire trilogy a masterpiece.
     
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    All your posts are great McDiarmid, but I seriously think that this is another fan theory that will prove false... It may even make you hate IX if you invest too much in it...

    Infact, I would even bet my money that the writers and directors of this trilogy have never read this book and have no clue who that girl is or what her connection to Luke is...

    The purpose of these books is to satisfiy the lore hungry hardcore fans. Comparing to the movie audience they are a lot fewer so Disney would never use something in the movies that will have most people go "huh?".
     
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    I think Luke can see paradise and the 72 Aya's that await him after his moment of Jihad.

    Or he just feels at peace, seeing twin suns and fulfilling his destiny.

    Tough choice.
     
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    You would lose Money.

    Luke catches fish on Ahch-To using spearfish method Aya teached him.

    And Pablo Hidalgo says its technique he learned on Lew'el.

    It will be huh..?


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    Pablo didn't write either of the ST films.
     
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    Rian Johnson did.

    And is making spearfish scene seemingy out of the context.

    Why is spearfish(and tala syrens scene) logical only after reading Deluge story?
    Also Rey
    is seeing vision of the Force, remember where nest of Porgs is in tranquility, tide that brings life, and than sea destroyes the Porg nest,its the ebb...Lew'el teachings.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, but Hidalgo has proven to be a very unreliable source of information, because exactly he is more into the lore than the ST moviemakers are. I don't know his level of involvement, but I really don't see much of his ideas making it into the movies.

    I really like your theory and maybe it would be nice this way, but I don't see it happening.
     
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    Not really out of context. What else is Luke going to eat on an Island? And the film made a point out of his routine so Rey could crack a joke about it.
    But sure, maybe RJ went to Pablo and said: I'm going to get Luke to do some fishing because he needs to eat - is that okay for canon and what could he use to fish?
    And Pablo might think to himself: Ah, yeah well Luke did some fishing in that novel recently, he could use a similar fish hook. And then pass on the idea to RJ.

    What it doesn't mean is that Luke fell in love with a teenage girl from a fishing planet who is super powerful and they married and had kids.
    It just means that Luke uses a fishing spear.
     
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    After reading Fishing at Deluge(Lew'el) suddenly the sperfishing, tala syrens milking
    all becames clear.

    Did you Know
    there are 3 quests that Luke had on Lew'el that are in every way similar to 3 teachings Luke has given to Rey on Ahch-To?

    In fact Rey finished
    only 2 teachings, and Luke finished 2 quests on Lew'el, jet Luke find out 3rd lesson, but is not in the film apparently, or maybe it is?
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 9, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 9, 2018 ---
    EDIT- want to hear 3rd lesson Rey
    didnt finished?
    Its in the book.
     
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    I heard about it yesterday. Pirates attacked the Island and plunder the caretakers - Rey wants to help. Luke says leave it because it will disrupt the balance that exists and she'll make matters worse.

    Look, you might be right McDiarmid - they might have sat around and discussed the book and its ideas. Or the book might've been based off of RJ's script. I don't know. But there isn't going to be a mention of Aya. Luke isn't going to appear as a Force ghost to explain a story that has no relevance to Rey.
     
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    The third lesson was cut from the movie because Luke was portrayed like a jerk during this lesson. So, Rey completed not two but three lessons.

    "Rey notices boats arriving at the island and there appears to be a big fire from where they're landing. Luke tells her that it is a group of bandits who regularly come back to the island to plunder and kill the caretakers. Rey is very concerned and wants to help them, but Luke tells her that if you help them now, the raiders will come back stronger and it will make things worse in the future. He asks Rey if she is always going to be here to protect them, saying that a true Jedi Knight would do nothing and would only act to maintain balance, even when people get hurt. Rey, furious at his reasoning, ignites her lightsaber and runs really fast, a Force-powered run that we glimpsed in one of the featurettes about the making of the film. She runs over rocks on shallow water and bursts through a door with her saber into the village square ready for battle. Luke yells for her to wait, but she doesn't stop."

    "She is surprised to learn that it's not a raiding party, but an actual party, with caretakers celebrating and swinging glow sticks. This piece of concept art from The Art of Star Wars: The Last Jedi shows what the scene looks like. The caretakers all stop and look at Rey, confused. One of the caretaker motions her glow stick and Rey swings her lightsaber, imitating her movements, and sighs. The caretakers resume partying. Rey spots Chewbacca sitting at the party with a bunch of Porgs and R2-D2 (wearing a festive necklace). 'Seriously?' Rey says to Chewie before storming out to find Luke. Rey is mad that Luke lied to her and she confronts him. He admits that he's sorry, but that she ran so fast and he couldn't stop her. Rey says that she thought they were in danger and tried to do something. Luke responds, seriously this time, that that's exactly what the resistance needs - not some old husk of a failed religion. He was again trying to teach her a lesson. Rey cries, explaining that her real friends are really dying and 'that old legend of Luke Skywalker that you hate so much, I believed in it.' Luke is in shock. He realizes that he pushed her too far. Rey tells him she was wrong about believing in him and storms away."
     
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    Wait, what? Is that really the full story? I read yesterday that it was just pirates and Luke said to leave them to it? But the caretakers were having a rave?! Seriously? Ha, amazing.
     
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    Apparently it is. I'm a little bit disappointed that this sequence was cut from the movie.
     
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