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SPECULATION J.J. Abrams REFUSES to restore missing content to The Force Awakens

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Grand Admiral Kraum, Dec 27, 2015.

  1. Darth Sidious

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    Abrams, why don't you put your mouth where your mouth is and advocate for the unaltered original trilogy to be released?
     
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    As I said: the director has every right to do what he/she wants with the movie - it's not up to some guy in a forum to say what is "right" and what is "wrong" (with moviemaking) or "how things should be" or "who is/who isn't a 'real fan'" (whatever that means).

    Star Wars (1977) had a grand total of 3 or 4 lines of dialogue about the "State of the Galaxy" and neither ESB or RotJ did elaborate that much further on the subject - and all these movies work perfectly.

    TFA basically does the same thing: tells the audience what is needed - other than that, it's a character-driven story, so the movie doesn't waste any time on the "bigger picture" (which, from a storytelling point of view, I think is a sound choice).
     
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    yes, but I think that it would be better to release those scenes just as a special content, and not in the actual movie
     
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    J.J. was already asked about this topic by an interviewer a few weeks ago.



    Q: 'Length of the first cut?'
    A: 'Probably 2:40...2:30 something.'

    Q: 'Was that an assembly or was that a first cut?'
    A: 'That was first cut.'

    Q: 'How many deleted scenes did you have in TFA?'
    A: 'We probably have... like partial scenes.'
    Q: 'Full scenes?'
    A: 'Like a dozen.'

    Q: 'Have you already thought about the Blu-ray and will we be getting a lot of these?'
    A: 'I'm sure that quite a few of them will make their way to that, sure.'
     
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    The politics were not as complicated in the original trilogy. It was simply BIG BAD EVIL DUDES vs GOOD GUYS/REBELS

    I still don't know what Leia's relationship is with the senate, how she fits into the politics of this universe, how The First Order is viewed by the senate.. whether the senate is still on Coruscant and so on.. and honestly I wish I could have learned this all in the movie instead of being made to buy books. Well.. I refuse to buy anything but the movie tickets, I don't feel satisfied enough to give Disney any more money; especially after this extended cut nonsense.
     
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    The film has all it needed, I don't need to hear about peace treaties that are irrelevant after the Star WARS break out again. I don't need to see the Senate doing nothing. And btw interesting how you come to a conclusion that he refuses to release an extended cut. He said we "shouldn't expect it" nothing more but refusing is a much stronger word, got it. Well, it is not like, the last time somebody played around with a finished product, was well received by fans.
    The film works as it is, no need to change, everything necessary is there.
     
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    You say this but there are a lot of extra shots during all of the scenes.. I don't just want more political stuff but i'd just like the whole thing packed out more and have more time to breathe. The scenes simply go too fast and its jarring when played after the original trilogy.

    There is no explanation as to how Return of the Jedi's ending was undone. The ending of Return of the Jedi was supposed to tell us that the Empire and sith were no more.

    What happens? New sith lord out of nowhere (Snoke) and stormtroopers still doing what they always did. Its nonsensical and could have been explained much better. I'm not fooled by action sequences and original trilogy imagery being thrown at me.

    The Force Awakens lacks originality and content. J.J. is doing nothing to address this interviews or with an extended cut.. Screw him.
     
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    No big deal. He's just saying that he won't be giving the film a Special Edition treatment. It doesn't mean we won't see the deleted scenes for the film, and it certainly doesn't mean that there won't be some kind of "fan cut" restoring the scenes later on.
     
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    Some scenes might reveal more from the future plots than they want to.

    I love deleted scenes, and Director's cut, but Star Wars is a completely different beast.

    Maybe when they release a box with all the New Trilogy i would be ok with that.
     
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    It's called a trilogy for a reason. Not all you questions need to be answered in Act I, just like A New Hope didn't explain everything. There are two more films coming to explain things.

    Secondly, learn about how editing a film works.

    Every director cuts scenes to craft his/her finished film to make it the best it can be. Deleted scenes are not a part of the film, and you have no entitlement to see them, the director has no obligation to release them, nor does anyone have an artistic and legal right to reincorporate what was cut without the approval of the director and intellectual property owner. Abrams has already said the deleted scenes would be on the Blu Ray release as a bonus.

    As to why the scenes were cut, expository dialogue often has a way of slowing down the pace of Star Wars movies. George Lucas' solution in the prequels was to show people sitting around talking or slowly walking down hallways talking. It made the films drag miserably and bored the audience to no end. If you want a film that recaptures the speed and excitement of the OT, you only bog the film down with more boring converastions if people have to explain what's going on politically and historically all in one film.
     
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    I don't think they should be reinserted... maybe Leia and Maz's scene, and the Poe/Rey meeting. But otherwise I like Leia's entrance in the film, and by the sounds of it, most of her deleted scenes take place earlier on.

    They had better be on the Bluray/DVD, though.
     
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    You also wanted to be in it but you're dead .

    Seriously, though, the general contract Union DGA rules are that the director has first rights to a "directors" cut and then it's typically up to the studio that owns the rights to release whatever they want .although, they can't legally release anything called "A Directors' Cut" without JJ Abrams . Unless JJ takes his name off of the project, which would be the most moronic career move any one could ever Do Zealand .
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    We should have been given the scene of Poe getting back to the resistance, one minute he's on Jakku then he's flying with the boys like, 3 scenes later. Hope its on the blue ray
     
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    Maybe the extended addition won't be released quite yet because some of the missing content might spoil some content in Episode VIII.

    An extended addition will likely be released at a later point.
     
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    I NEVER wanted him to write it, he should have only directed it. They should have given Michael Ardnt another year because this movie is asonine at moments. I feel bad for Rian Johnson.
     
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    At least Arian can relate to Finn's character of being a janitor ;) .
     
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    Every movie is the result of the work being made by a lot of people and not only the director. There are producers, there are screenwriters, there are editors... If all the other parties are satisfied with Abrams' work and if 90% of the people say nice things about the movie, then I think everything else is just for is to argue in forums.

    And yes, TFA has many resemblances to other movies, both SW and other ones. It's ok, who cares,, the outcome is nice, have fun people!
     
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    In this case, it's "Disney-Screened" personnel working on it, which is unlike what any other studio does ... The cheese wheel of money turning in their heads to secure things like this, so it's not as much as the his contractual boss accepting his work, rather that it's that stupid rat watching over all SW work now so they know exactly what they're getting instead of pure creativity .

    @Pomojema i apologize for the inappropriateness of that rant .

    But on a more optimistic note, however, j have cknfidence in Rian Johnson, even above Treverrow, and hopefully he will be given his dues in the studio system that's Disney...and remember, at the end of the day, it's a corporation that's seeking money, ROI, and PURE profits while operating with red-line "losses."
     
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    People are demanding Abrams/Disney tamper with the released movie like Lucas did with the OT and special editions now?

    How about no? (pwned)
     
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