Kylo Ren: Sith State

i'm curious as to why you think Kylo Ren is politically sneaky.
he seems pretty up front about most everything, even when he bends the rules a little here and there.

 

Interesting ideas. I'm probably reading it wrong, but here are my thoughts on some of what you said.

I kinda disagree with this here on principal, that since we don't know if the Knights of Ren are related in any way to the Sith. To say that he is like a Sith because he is a dark side Force User doesn't seem to fit with all of the canon we have (although you do say "something like," which does leave a good bit of wiggle room lol).

That, is actually really accurate and well said!

I can get behind this.

I think Maul wins because he was an actual Sith, but that's neither here nor there lol. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by Sith Politics, but I think they're on pretty even footing. Both follow a leader that has or will betray them; both wholeheartedly believe in their cause; and both are more of destructive forces of nature than political manipulators. In terms of Canon as a whole, Maul has had FAR more screen-time than Kylo Ren, so I'd say he's the winner. Look at his actions throughout The Clone Wars, and we only have to see the Season 2 finale of Rebels to know he hasn't left his ways behind. Everywhere he goes he builds up to break things down - he sows chaos so he can gain control. Seduction, corruption, and chaos - I think that's the real power of Sith politics, and Maul shows that in spades.

 

While your post is very thoughtful, I'm going to have to disagree.

As has been mentioned in several places, Kylo Ren is not a Sith. The Sith ended when Anakin fulfilled the prophecy, and bringing them back would negate the achievements of Anakin and Luke. (I'm not suggesting that everything Anakin did was an "achievement," but he did do some good things.)

I'm not sure I believe in the idea of a "half Jedi" - if you are still in training, then you are not a Jedi. Even if you become a Jedi, if, at any time, you turn evil, you lose the Jedi title.

I don't understand why you think Darth Maul represents the emergence of the Empire. He gets cut in half about ten years before the Empire emerges. If any Sith represents the emergence of the Empire, wouldn't it be... the Emperor? If anything, Darth Maul just represents pure senseless violence and evil. Although he does have the ability to speak, he is never shown in the movies as having any real capacity to reason, form opinions, or make decisions.