Kylo Rens Fate

I think that is a fair assessment. It was unfortunate that the prequel trilogy tried to combine way too much of the Anakin backstory. We probably could have started off in a much similar place to Revenge of the Sith and gone from there, allowing for flashbacks to tell the story prior. They needed to fit a lot in, and once they cast Hayden Christensen, they were stuck with him. I was a little disappointed George Lucas spliced him into the original trilogy as Anakin's ghost. To me, that was a pretty be disservice to the original actors.

 

* Managed to delete the end of my post above for some reason.

Meant to add that Kylo Ren (we must presume) has not really known his parents, when the reality is his parents were actually around and could have given him the attention he may have craved. He resents his parents for this.
By contrast, Anakin just had his mother, who was taken from him despite his best efforts to cling on to her. Likewise his wife.
And Luke's real parents were absent through circumstances out of his and their control. He wishes he had known his father.

Facing his own father, and the embrace of the light side, is the "test" Snoke is referring to when he addresses Kylo.

 

Speaking of Snoke, does anyone have a read on why exactly Snoke says at the precise moment he does that he needs to complete Kylo's training? Is it because Kylo has passed the test of facing and killing his father? Or maybe it's because Kylo has been reunited with Rey, and is once more tempted to the light? The expression on Snoke's face when he says this looked far from triumphant to me. It was more like....fear or disappointment. Did you guys get the same read on this?

On a related note, I wonder if episode VIII will have parallel training storylines: Snoke training Kylo, and Luke training Rey. That could be really interesting. Since Kylo is a parallel to Luke, imagine a dark side parallel to the Yoda/Luke dynamic from ESB: the Resistance and/or Republic are on the verge of a victory; Snoke urges him to stay and 'complete the training', but Kylo runs off half-cocked and suffers a major defeat as a result - except, a defeat for him is a temptation to the light...

 

I loved Kylo Ren. He's certainly not your typical vilain. He's incredibly unstable and very vulnerable. Adam Driver really hit those aspects out of the park.
The scene on the bridge between him and Solo; that's some stellar acting. It might sound weird, but I'm happy he survived. I was kind of fearing he wouldn't. And remember Snoke's words: His training will be completed.
Kylo/Ben was conflicted. Now that he has been freed of doubt, I think we're going to see a more dangerous Kylo Ren. More calculating, more in control. And that upgrade is going to be a necessary one.
Rey, someone without any kind of experience, beat him, a student of Luke Skywalker, a descendant of Anakin Skywalker.
Since she's going to be trained by Obi Luke Kenobi, she's going to make some serious strides.
I think the two of them will meet again in Episode IX, and they will be true masters of the Force.

 

It was my personal impression, that Snoke is disappointed that Kylo has failed him. Kylo is defeated by Ren, who by all accounts, has no actual training. I think Snoke intends to strengthen his grasp on Kylo, and increase his bond with the Dark Side.

 

How do you become immune to the light. Kill your creator...Han. Now he's gonna wanna kill Uncle Luke once he finds out Rey is being trained to destroy him. And that may just happen to fule Rey's fire. Would Rian Johnson kill off Luke?

 

Honestly, I don't know what came before: The script itself, or the theories from the fans that fueled that idea.

 

I would not be surprised if we saw some of the other classic characters killed off by the end of Episode IX. I would suspect Leia, Luke, or even both could be on the chopping block. I think Chewbacca is safe.

 

Who ?

 

I would be very surprised (pleasantly so, mind you) if Luke wasn't dead by the end of Episode IX. Having said that, I think VIII will be a bit of a bloodbath. I think it has to be. I've not seen TFA yet (9 hours to go! CANNOT WAIT!) but from the sound of it, Han's death is wrenching and I think that its the first of many. They're taking a different spin on the OT and I think in order to make us earn the victory I expect we'll get, more of our favorites will be sacrificed. I also think there's going to be a war of ideologies, but its not going to be Luke vs. Snoke. I think its going to be Luke vs. Leia, of whether or not they can bring Ben/Kylo back to the light side or not. Leia lost her husband. Luke lost his friend. What's worse is this is by the hand of their progeny or apprentice. How exactly this might come to pass, I'm not certain.

Spoiler: A little bit of speculation

And I am starting to wonder if maybe (and its a big maybe) Snoke and Luke are one and the same. The lack of an actual physical Snoke, the lack of Luke until the end, and the absolute heart wrenching effect that would have on audiences makes me wonder that.

Regardless, I think Han is the first of many deaths. And while I think Kylo is the heart of that argument, I'm not sure if he'll be the vessel that carries it out.

Time will tell!

 

I agree entirely, although I would have maybe liked to see a bit more wookie rage afterwards.

 

I watch the second time today and I feel when Han confront Kylo, there are a few moment he was Ben. But when the sun goes dark, the dark side control him again and he kills his father.

 

Perhaps towards the final scenes of the movie. But right after, Chewie goes on a pretty big rampage, killing left and right.

 

And btw. KYLO YOU BLOODY BASTARD!!!!!!!

Ehm... Sorry, sorry... I just needed to get that out.

 

There will have to be some kind of interaction in VIII with Kylo and Leia. I will guess she finds out and confronts him.

Although why does Kylo not kill Rey?

 

Because he doesn't realise just what she is until it is too late.

And he tries to lure her to the dark side.

 

At what point in the movie do you mean though?

When he first encounters her he is able to detect she has seen the map by probing her mind. He makes a massive error in judgement here and decides he can access the map without BB-8, and decides to stop searching for the droid and kidnaps Rey instead. So he obviously wants her alive then.
When he interrogates her back at Starkiller she is strong enough to resist him and turns the tables to probe his mind.

From thereon in, she kind of has the drop on him. The encounter has him rattled. He has sensed how powerful she is and he thinks he can turn her.
He's injured by Chewie. Once He tries to tempt her to the Dark Side, she kicks his ass. I'm not so sure he could kill her at that point in the movie, even if he tried.

 

I cried my eyes out when Han got killed (don't laugh!). I really did. It's making me well up just thinking about it. Also made me HATE kylo. That mother Nerfherder better get whats coming to him

 

I was just asking myself if that been defeating by the light side would make a mess in his already messed brain. If he tought the dark side was more powerful, he was showed he was wrong ...

Maybe he'll fell darker, maybe it will bring something new.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 18, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 18, 2015 ---

He's fascinated by the girl.