SPECULATION Luke didn't vanish, he made a deal...

I like your theory. However I think luke has made the decision never to have sex and make children again. So he travelled to a remote island with himself as his best companion and only guilty pleasure.....[and a shitload of Loreal conditioner of course, "because he's worth it"]. Then his one 'seed-spilled-too-many' shows up, and he knows that he will have to fulfill his financial obligations right here right now. Rey won't budge of course.

 

Kind of...


Either way. Snoke got a pretty bad deal out of this.
He doesn't know where Luke or his daughter is... and only has Luke's word that he's not training anyone.


Unless the deal was made with Kylo. That could change things.

 

As in Luke Slywalker had to choose between Rey and Kylo Ren ?

 

The problem is that Hidalgo said the slaughter of the Knights of Ren was when Ren was already an adult and Rey was in Jakku for about 15 years so it doesn't fit.

 

Slaughter OF the Knights of Ren ?

 

You got me. I'm french, english is not my maternal language.

 

I was more thinking that Ben was the one who got his uncle to run away and that he would spare Rey in return... which doesn't really work, because Kylo Ren seems pretty eager to turn Rey over to Snoke, and is far too desperate to find Luke.

As for choosing between Rey and Kylo, I'm not sure how that works either. Do you mean like... spare Kylo to save Rey?

I think the real problem is that people keep associating the scene in the rain with Ben's betrayal.

For that to be the case, it would mean that Kylo joined the Knights of Ren, built his creepy mask and poorly constructed lightsaber, all while he was living around Luke... and yet Luke never noticed it.
It would also put it long after Rey was left on Jakku, since Kylo was only about 14-15 when Rey was left there.


I get the feeling that Kylo and Snoke have been searching for Luke for a while. There appears to be a temple in the background during that scene, so it makes sense that he would be searching old Jedi temples to try and find Luke.
The rain scene could be from one such raid on a Jedi temple... but it could also be a depiction of Kylo's rise to the position of Master of the Knights of Ren.

 

Are you trying to say that it was DURING the slaughter with The KOR ?

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Yeah or for neither of them to teach either of them but Snoke being a manipulative bastard, he breaks that rule and hen it's too late .

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I said the slaughter occured when Ren was an adult.

 

Not that Snoke really needed to train Ben much... Luke had already taught him a bit.

Exactly. Which is why the rain scene is either a different event OR Ben's betrayal happened several years after Rey was left on Jakku.

 

Except Luke Skywalker didn't train him and let hi tap into his Dark aside ...

 

I like this theory on its own... but I don't expect to see this play out in the films because it would require people to act out of character.

 

Luke didn't need to... Ben had already been doing that before he started training with him.
Hence why Leia sent Ben there to begin with. She and Han didn't know how to help him anymore.

 

Snoke was in his head before that, right ?

 

According to Leia, Snoke was there from the very beginning.

 

Could Snoke have helped to create Ben Solo ?

 

Ben is the first SW character to have TWO DADS .