Making Star Wars Full Synopsis

I am a scientist (ok, I trained as one) in a field which deals with alot of different sources. Archeology.
We deal with things that are perfectly undissturbed (yay), in good shape (yay) and have great context (double yay)
But we also deal with half erodet pottery from your neighbours attic and some wild stuff that the farmer picked out a mole hill.
Funny story, a professor once insisted that the stone pyramids workers assembled by simply throwing stones away where cultic remnants of an ancient culture.
Whole excavantion discredited because nobody could know what was real and what not.
The moment you have to descredit one thing that relates to other things to form a picture, there is a good chance, that whole picture has to be cast in doubt.

90% of it might still be right, but you can't know that and have to assume it's wrong and start the verification process from scratch and look at all the evidence again.

This is why finds and objects from unreliable sources, which where not found need to be clearly marked and fully disclosed as pure speculation to give people a chance to fill the gaps with (sometimes contradicting) new information.

If that doesn't happen and we don't know what is real and what is speculation the whole thing is faulty.
Of course they can stand there after the fact and clap their own shoulder because they got this this and this right, but it's of exactly no use beforehand. And we're not doing this to go back later and compare notes.

 

I'm also a scientist, and I don't know what the heck the you're talking about.

When Ward personally published something (i.e. his name is on the post), he consistently stated when it was information that he wasn't sure about, or whether or not it was from a trusted source, etc.
When he was absolutely confident in the information published, he said so. That confidence was not the result of mere speculation; it was born of knowing what sources he could trust.

I address this in more detail here:
https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....e-of-finns-lightsaber.6988/page-2#post-181106

Repeating what's said there:
If you can point to a spoiler item that Ward has published in the last, say, 12 months that has turned out to be flatly contradicted by official material, I'd definitely like to know about it.

 

I have stayed away from MSW for a month now. Not because I hate them, just because I have read their outline and that's that. I don't want to know.

Maybe they changed it, but nowhere within the outline did they state which "facts" where in fact fact and which where filler speculation.

Maz Kanata's castle was described the same way as "The movie begins with a hand floating through space"

There was no distinction, that's no way to handle and hand over information.
That's the same as me saying: "This fourteenth century sigil proves there was a trading post on this assend spot in the middle of nowhere, even though there wasn't even a town here, because my stepfather found it in the backfill of this building site in the 60s"

The sigil exists, I own it, but it says exactly nothing, because there is no context whatsoever (never mind the missing settlement)

Of course they will be right on some counts. I am not doubting they have information. I am doubting their conclusions. And since I have no way of verifying anything they say, I have to doubt everything.
More so, since we know that they have made some wild speculation, but refuse to show us what they are.

 

Let's be clear:
The link in the first post was not something written by Jason Ward. It was written by a fan of MSW, who compiled (in his own words) articles that *had* been published by Ward in order to link together a synopsis in the way that individual saw fit. Ward did a "slight edit" on parts of the synopsis, that's it.

Posts such as yours (and many in this thread) are from people who've only seen that linked "compiled synopsis" instead of the original MSW articles on which it was based.

This is an example of an MSW article that is the result of direct communication with an individual who has confirmed knowledge of these scenes:
http://makingstarwars.net/2015/07/h...the-force-awakens-one-sleeps-and-one-awakens/

Ward appropriately qualifies the information: "Here’s how I understand the general events of the final act of the film to break down"

 

I have read the synopsis on MSW.
period. That to me means, they concur with it and the way it was written and compiled.
Also: I have a vague idea who Jason Ward is because i hear his name thrown around. I assume he is the person behind MSW.

Other than that I don't know this guy, I have never met him, conversed with him or consciously read anything by him.
But honestly, I don't care.
I am simply talking about articles published on MSW, by MSW.
I don't care who wrote it. MSW published it and thus they are backing it.
If the information is crap, sloppily compiled or simply wrong: MSW published it.
And that is what we are talking about here: the MSW Plot Synopsis.

Unless I accidentally landed in the wrong thread

 

I stopped following the MSW site after 5 of the 6 people on their podcast listed Revenge of the Sith as their favorite SW movies.

 

Who EXACTLY is Jason Ward? I mean is he supposed to be some STAR WARS expert or something?

 

He is the chosen one. He is the one to bring balance to the spoilers, not leave us in darkness.

 

Lol but seriously though, we are all genuinely curious .

 

You already know what a "Force back" is?
That's quite impressive!
Seriosuly though... that's quite the assumption regarding what a "Force back" is. The author, Ian Freer may have drawn his own conclusion based on what he was told. Without a clear idea of what a "Force Back" is, or even a direct quote talking about what they were filming at that time, it's hard to verify the truth of it all.
The recent EW article for instance, tells us that they wrapped up filming with the shot of Knights of Ren we've seen in the trailer.
That doesn't really look like them unleashing any kind of Force power at all...
For all we know, Ian Freer may have simply been told that they were filming "a Force Back scene with the Knights of Ren" and came to the conclusion that it was the KOR who were initiating it.

We already know for a fact that Maz eye's have some kind of special ability, and I seriously doubt she shoots lasers or has X-ray vision. There's also concept art with her tinkering around with lightsaber crystals. From a purely narrative perspective, the "flashback" makes more sense to come from the heroes than the villains.

We would need something a bit more substantial before we can debunk that part of MSW's plot outline.

Your analogy doesn't quite work in this situation.
Building on the whole archaeology thing, Jason Ward/MSW is more like a scientific tabloid, that reports on multiple archaeological digs. Some of them may be bogus, others aren't. Just because some of the people who submitted stuff to the publication were making stuff up, doesn't mean they all were.

Jason Ward isn't making up all his rumours. He isn't getting them all from a single source either. He has a network of informants, some more reliable than others. If he could do so without causing these people trouble, he would probably even identify them in his reporting.

Unlike a peer reviewed scientific journal, it's difficult to really verify rumours.
That's just the nature of the rumour business.

 

he will be a jedi there have always been two jedi as the heros in each film (Yoda counts for Episode six to)

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 29, 2015, Original Post Date: Nov 29, 2015 ---

i think both Rey AND Finn engage Kylo Ren but like Maul vs Qui-Qon Jinn and Obi-Wan he kicks Rey away using the force and making her drop her staff which she is using to fight him and Finn engages by himself

 

Except she doesn't carry her staff after they arrrive on Takodana.
And she certainly doesn't have it during the duel....



(Notice, Rey carries an F-11D blaster, most likely from a Stormtrooper - this strongly supports the detail that she was captured prior to this point)


EDIT - Fixed with High Res image link.

 

"Unleashing" is too strong a verb to use without certainty of the act. It implies origin of causation. If Freer doesn't know that then he shouldn't be writing for any type of magazine, and should be sent back to grade school. And you really think MSW's synopsis is iron clad enough that it needs incontrovertible evidence to be debunked? That's quite unimpressive. At least this guy actually talked to KK et al, who are probably just as concerned with misleading the audience as they are with spilling the actual beans.

After the film comes out I'm gonna post on this thread and bash the f*** outta MSW and the sick filler trash they made up, as well as all the suckers who bought it.

 

Hrmpf.
I concede.
you're right.
Now if only some people would just see this also and not treat it as a peer reviewed journal, we all might get into some fruitful discourse.

I really would love to make a summary, color-coded for what we know, what we are reasonably sure and what is rumour.
But then I'd have to busy myself with the spoielrs again and I am trying to avoid the worst of those :/

 

I still don't understand why you have that blind faith in MSW....

 

The MSW scene descriptions match up with what's seen in the trailers. I can't argue there, but I would say that the placing in the MSW plot is off kilter so therefore the story itself, or the plot, is not actually known and is just guessed at, in what appeared to be the most logical way for the creator of the MSW plot.

 

At this point, with trailers and TV spots and merchandise confirming detail after detail that's been posted by MSW, this is just silly.

Again:
"If you can point to a spoiler item that Ward has published in the last, say, 12 months that has turned out to be flatly contradicted by official material, I'd definitely like to know about it."

 

Maybe I don't trust MSW because I don't want to believe this is the plot. I find that storyline weird and awful.

But it's just my point of view.

 

God, its really that bad huh? this is why we should be wary of their speculation and it makes sense considering half the blast in that synopsis is convoluted and un-star wars-y. heres what makes me skeptical. where did Jason Ward come from? and how the hell did this random fan with zero experience in scooping land arguably the greatest source of all time? its uncanny. ive been following leaks since '98 '99 when AICN was in its prime, and ive never seen someone just create a fan site and then all of a sudden become the main artery to exclusive SW info, and yet the big players in the scooping game are nowhere to be seen or heard. where's Devin Faraci, El Mayimbe, Drew McWeeney, etc. its bewildering to me that these call sheets contain such detail, such as Finn's bloody palm print, and yet JW can do nothing but speculate in regards to character motivation, or why things are happening in the slightest. it makes the info sound so clean cut as nothing important whatsoever has been spoiled! we still know jack dick. to conclude, i would not be surprised in the slightest if JJ Abrams and his team intentionally leaked plain cut info, mostly in regards to Act 1 knowing the marketing would mostly center around Act 1/Jakku, at least early on. This would cement Jason Ward as the primary source for SW leaks, as all his info gets validated by the early trailers. Thus, in the instance that harmful, very real info gets scooped by a veteran scooper, it gets completely discarded as hot air as it doesnt match up with the MSW synopsis. so yes, im saying i believe its a very real possibility that Jason Ward was gift wrapped info with the intention of said info becoming 100% validated in the eyes of hungry fans. its obvious to me MSW knows next to nothing in regards to Luke, and yet the recent EW info and the fact that hes the center of the marketing plan tells me we are missing something important.