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SPOILER MakingStarWars Rumors and Speculation Thread (Part 1)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Feb 15, 2015.

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  1. Trevor

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    I'm having a hard time with some of it.....sounds a lot like "The gods must be crazy" where the Coke bottle falls out of the sky and the native takes it. I'm not sold.
     
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    To jump to the conclusion that Abrams is trying to be cute is to assume the end result. We have pieces of the puzzle. Yes, it could turn out corny. It could turn out great. We are guessing at Abram's intent, which is something we cannot know. To assume what sort of explanation will be given or to assume the idea doesn't serve the story without knowing JJ's mind is to judge the whole on a single piece.

    As I stated before, you could take a great deal of our favorite moments from SW out of context and make them sound corny. But in the end result, they become great cinema. Perhaps JJ is being as simplistic in his approach as you assume. Or maybe the idea serves a greater purpose. In the end, following an inanimate object as an introduction to the universe as it stands 30 years post RotJ is not inherently a bad or good idea. It is just an idea. What is done with it will determine that. Just as back in 77, we were introduced to the universe via a pair of droids. Something that could have played silly ended up serving the plot, environment, and themes of SW better than a summary of the concept would have sounded.

    You may end up right. This may turn out bad. But I don't think the information given makes that a foregone conclusion. We have to see the remainder to judge the whole. Deciding to hate something before it is complete will only skew your appreciation of the end result.
     
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    Is it possible this key-saber is the one we see Kylo using? Maybe an ancient lightsaber, or one that belonged to Plagueis, or both.
     
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    People aren't taking into account these reports are likely missing A LOT of import details and context.

    By itself the whole lightsaber falling out of the sky sounds ridiculous. Even more so if it's Luke's lost Saber from cloud city.

    JJ and Kasdan are to talented to go with that by itself. There is obviously more to it we don't know.

    What if the Saber isn't from bespin but is Luke's current version or someone else's entirely? What if the Saber didn't randomly land but was purposefully sent? What if the Saber is actually in a small container, some type of cargo, probe droid, or small ship?

    These are all examples of detail that would significantly change the context of these reports.

    Just saying. These reports are likely only partial details at best. We don't have all the facts. Don't over react...yet.
     
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    I think those of us having issues with the lightsaber idea is that the rumors make it out to be the first thing we see after the crawl. In A New Hope, the droids aren't the first thing we see; its an amazing pursuit of star ships and rocking Williams score.
     
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    @Max Rebo is absolutely correct. It is all about execution. These rumors are just small descriptions passed from person to person. They are just words on a paper. They do not give a true picture or idea of what it will actually look like on screen. It is the same way with the Han rumor. Although the lightsaber in space is not my most favorite rumor or idea, I'm going to withhold judgement until I see how it is executed on screen.
     
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    No, it's realizing past behavior is the best way to predict future behavior. This has Abrams written all over it.

    I don't hate the film, I hate the saber idea. Because it's a bad idea. Really bad.

    Hope it's not true.

    Again, I don't think you can compare this to 77 because we have 6 films of context/backstory.

    To suddenly make that saber Luke ignites in 77 EXTRA special is corny man.

    It's unnecessary. And is either

    A- going to require lots of explanation

    Or

    B- count on fans forgetting about the saber for some reason (??)- which begs the question, why include it at all? Other than to wink at the fans?

    My argument is that I think people have lowered the bar over time. Excitement is leading to blind optimism.

    It's ok to be critical of things as we hear them.

    This just isn't a good idea. And it's not like 77. At all.
     
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    Its just another object in space to me.

    What do the opening shots mean.

    ANH- Showing us the mass of the empire.
    ESB- Shows us the relentless search for the rebels
    RotJ- Shows us the might of the empire

    TPM- Shows us the calm of the pre-war republic
    AotC- The procedure and civility of the republic
    RotS- The chaos of War

    So, what does the saber show us. If it fits the theme of the movie. If it correctly sets the tone for the pace of the new trilogy, does it matter that its not a ship? Is this the ruins of the dying civilization? Does it show us that the Jedi are now the focus of the story instead of the Empire? These things are yet to be seen?
     
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    The lightsaber option could work, but I'm with @Unseen on this one - it would require a lot of explanation. If the film actually opens this wya, I think a red lightsaber falling would awesome. Someone posted that idea in this tread a few pages back. Max Von Sydow's character sees and knows it means bad business, has to contact his Rebel friends to tell him someone is toying with the dark side.
     
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    I see...I think you betray a bias against Abrams. You are expecting the worst, so you see the worst in what information we are given.

    Who says the saber was special in 77? Who even knows how it is special. We're not even sure its Luke's saber from Bespin. A couple of rumors stated that before, but MSW doesn't specify in their story today. It could be Vader's red saber or as an earlier poster stated Kylo Ren's cross saber. We know so little, to immediately jump to worst case scenarios seems unnecessarily defeatist. But to each his own.

    Again, I'm not saying I love the saber idea. I'm just saying, I don't see how it is possible to judge yet with so little to go on.
     
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    Just in the sense that I think the Star Wars community has given him full faith based on the fact that he's a fan...who isn't a Star Wars fan?

    I think when people say "it will be great, it's Abrams!!" I find that naive. That, in itself, is...strange to me.



    Yes, I'm assuming this is Luke's saber because that's what other rumors have suggested.

    Though I think any saber floating through space is a dumb idea.

    Good debate man. I won of course.

    Just kidding
     
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    I agree on multiple accounts.

    It was a good debate. I appreciate the civil disagreement.

    Blindly trusting Abrams is just as offensive to me as blindly doubting him. My argument is to judge on the merits of the finished product.

    I and I most definitely agree with the statement "I won of course". Because I did, in fact, win. ;)
     
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    Thanks for the good laugh and thanks to the movie "the gods must be crazy" finally we all know that a "Coke Bottle" is a great all-in-one tool.
    We should always have a coke bottle in reserve for a case of emergency.
     
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    I think the Lightsaber idea is wonderful. And the God must be Crazy inspiration is also fantastic. That was one of my favorite movie when I was a kid.

    If the climax of the movie is the discovery of Luke Skywalker... it has to start with a Lightsaber.

    To bring the Excalibur to his master.

    Why Obi Wan gave Luke Anakin's lightsaber?
    Why not a new one.... why not teaching Luke how to build one his own?
    Why Obi Wan recovered Anakin's saber at the first place?

    What's so special about this sword?
    Why not Qui Gon's?
    Did Vader retrieved Obi Wan's when he vanished?

    Why THIS sword?
     
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    You know, I don't get the Abrams hateraid I see here occasionally.

    I don't think people blindly trust the guy because he's a star wars fan. I think they have well placed optimism because he's a talented director with a credible body of work behind him and stylistically he fits the genre.

    Even with the story/plot hole problems star trek into darkness had, it was stylistically well done and still entertaining. Let's remember that Orci or Lindelof were were the brains behind that script. Those two hacks thankfully had no involvement TFA writing.
     
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    So he was an unwilling participator?

    Why didn't he ask for rewrites?

    What about the holes in his other films?

    It's not hateraid. Just realistic.

    I don't hate him at all, just don't think he's above making a bad movie like some do...even when they admit Wrath of Darkness was bad....somehow he's innocent??

    C'mon.


    Curious- what's his best movie to you?
     
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    I never said he was above making a bad movie. No director is above that. Nor did I say he was innocent of any of the problems in star trek.
     
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    Why would The Vicar bother contacting anyone to pick up a lightsaber?

    Just sell it.

    If I'm Poe Dameron, I'd be like..."Just keep it, dude."
     
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    Very well said! I am with you all the way! I cannot wait to see this movie. Eveything I've read, heard or have seen is way cooler than the leaks and rumors from The Phantom Menace and I was making myself hold on to faith that it would be good somehow. This time I'm feeling way better about what's coming to light. I'm excited to see what the character Rey will bring. It is sounding very very interesting. I have hope.

    What's funny to me is if anyone thinks this will really be bad then why do they insist on coming back to check rumors? There's still some faith in them. That's how strong Star Wars is. It can be bad it can be good and people will still love Star Wars. YAY!
     
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    I guess Poe didn't considering he may spend all of his time in that xwing, I guess he will miss the ground action.
     
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