MARVEL Cinematic Universe

So you guys don't think The New Mutants, Deadpool 2 or The Predator have a chance in the competition? What about Tomb Raider and Aquaman?

 

Deadpool will make an impressive push. But given the hard R it will tote, it will be very difficult to crack the others.
New Mutants and Predator have no chance. Small target audience.

 

Really? Interesting.

 

New Mutants is a horror movie with Super hero stuff thrown in with very little attached name recognition or IP recognition.
The Predator is going to be an R rated action/horror without Arnold and following up several very bad Predator films.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 29, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 29, 2017 ---

Another thing to keep in mind re: Deadpool 2.
It comes out in June this time. Not February.
In 2016 Deadpool went over a full month without any comic book competition or even any real quality wide release at all.



Now here is the schedule for Deadpool 2's summer 2018 release:


Right after Han Solo, right before Incredibles 2 AND Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom.
That is going to really cut into the legs of Deadpool 2 because each film kind of cuts a bit from each section for Deadpool.

 

Interesting observations, but I do think Fox is banking on Deadpool 2 as their franchise savior and sustainer. The X-Men movies have been hit or miss and I do agree with you about New Mutants. Dunno why they went with the horror angle, but it seems to have intrigued some people.

One thing I have noticed about studios trying to play catch up to the Marvel/Disney success is that the competitive studios tend to take what little success they had and run with it even if it's not a good idea for those characters, etc. Especially if it's a comic adaptation or something.

I don't think any of the Monster Universe movies are coming out next year, but what do you think about those and any competitive edge they may give or do you think The Mummy re-visioning killed it?

Edited to add: Clarification, when I say Monster Universe I mean Dracula, Mummy, all them. Not the King Kong, Godzilla universe, although I'm curious about thoughts on that one as well.

 

1. They are banking on Deadpool but they also don't need to make much for it to be successful. It's a lower budget film (first one was 58 million, second won't be too much more) so it will be profitable for them but it won't have the legs and dominate the box office like the first one did.

2. And that's why they will never catch up. It's sad.

3. It's dead. Universal has basically scrapped the whole thing. Guillermo Del Toro recently came out and admitted they asked him to run it and he said no, an answer he claims to now regret.

4. King Kong, Godzilla and all them just have to be big dumb action films with monsters because that's all they've ever really been. Throw in some deeper "save the environment, be nice to nature, don't drop nukes" stuff in and you'll be fine. Get too preachy and you get Skull Island

 

LOL, you're brutal man. LOL

 

That was awesome!

Thank you Disney!

 

Awesome trailer, soo good to hear that Avenger music again.

 

The budget for all these movies is so important.
That's where Blade Runner 2049 ran into trouble.
The original Blade Runner is a beloved film...among some die hard serious sci-fi fans.
But the general audience is largely indifferent or remembers the Final cut, directors cut, redux, spectacular cut or whatever else they had lol.
It had a 185 million dollar budget.
No large built in audience. Niche fan base.
Trailers don't sell the story.

Predator is what I would say is comparable to Blade Runner 2049 and that will not have nearly the budget. So I don't *think* that will hurt them unless it just spirals out of control.

Tomb Raider has no production budget available right now. But WB cannot afford that to under perform. It's sandwiched between A WRINKLE IN TIME and PACIFIC RIM UPRISING. Then on it's 4th weekend it faces READY PLAYER ONE. It has such little room for error. It has to open well because next spring/summer is booked solid. Wouldn't be shocked if it moves up at all. Would be a smart choice if they can do it without screwing too much with the film. But that'd still face Black Panther and Alex Garland's Annihilation.

Aquaman will prove as a true litmus test. Only DC live action next year. Late in the year release. Will that work for or against it? Can Mamoa carry a film? Should be incredibly interesting.

WB needs some hits next year from their big names.
Tomb Raider, Ready Player One, Rampage, Ocean's 8, Fantastic Beasts 2, Aquaman
To be completely honest, I'm not that excited for any of those but RPO and Aquaman, if for nothing else to see if Mamoa can take that next step because he seems super cool and likable and I want him to.

 

I think The Mummy reboot failed because of no Brendan Fraser.
Instead of trying to fix the franchise after the mess Tomb of the Dragon Emperor was, they instead foolishly rebooted everything.
I didn't see it, but a Mummy movie set in modern day, and away from Egypt has no appeal to me.

 

It failed because it was a Tom Cruise action movie, not a horror movie. Also, it was just bad.
They didn't need to associate anything with the Fraser Mummy movies.

Dark Universe implies horror. People expected horror. Got bloated nonsense action.

 

I don't doubt that. I have no plans to watch it, but from everything I've heard about it, it sounds absolutely terrible.

 

Totally agreed on Split, @Pomojema. That ending had my wife and I pumped for an Unbreakable sequel, and that was before we'd even seen the first movie (we have since fixed that).

 

https://www.cnet.com/news/avengers-infinity-war-trailer-justice-league-reacts-marvel-dc/

 

Personally I didn't mind the Brendan Fraser Mummy Franchise, but I agree with Pomojema about the new Mummy movie. While I didn't hate it, it was obviously handicapped by the idea that more movies in the Dark Universe would come after it. I also think Tom Cruise should not have been the star among some other things. I also don't think they should have played their hand with the Jekyll/Hyde character.

As I criticize DCEU, I think if anyone wants to do a shared universe they should focus on introducing the characters of said shared universe in their own single narrative rather than the shared one first. Afterward, maybe in an ending scene, point out that these characters share a universe. When each character is introduced then you move forward. Granted, I get time and money is a factor, but it seems to be a successful template for doing it. When it's done with the intention and presupposition that this movie will be the first of many, it becomes evident that this is all this movie was to ever be.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...favor-disney-as-buyer-for-studio-media-assets

How sweet would it be for Disney/Marvel to gain control of X-Men, Silver Surfer, Galacticus and Fantastic 4?

 

It would be so great.
Get X-Men done right, as an actual movie about how it's a metaphor for race relations in America.

Fantastic Four would be done right as well.

Ugh. Just so perfect. Gonna flip my blast when this gets done and Silver Surfer shows up with Captain Marvel to beat Thanos in Avengers 4