SPECULATION Master Codebreaker Theory

You beat me to it! ... yea, she went straight, the zig zag is the the effect of her going through the Supremacy at light speed and the debris taken out the other ships.

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I would consider Han's maneuver to be different. Planets move at a constant speed and orbits that have been constant for millions of years. It would be something that has been charted and would be documented in a navi computer which would calculate location at any given time. A currently moving ship would not be. Im still not saying it wouldn't be possible to get far ahead of them but its just wouldn't be a hop/skip over or curve around. I think even a small micro jump would put you way out of viewing range which will complicate the jump back. Not impossible but wouldn't be a simple task and wouldn't necessarily put you where you want to be. But like I said, if all tactical decisions were made as logical as we see them sitting on the sidelines, then it would be many battles in any movie.

 

is that an answer you've created or an official one?
Still doesn't explain why other light speed isnt used in every battle ever if it that deadly to a fleet.

yeah i guess that the other option that as a audience you just have to except they are villains and their for inept, i mean its worked for Bond for over 50 years, so yeah thier is a huge part that if you want to enjoy this film you have to accept that the First Order are clever enough to strategically build up a a force of seemingly limitless resources that can come up with technology that can track ships through light speed but their seemingly military leader isn't clever enough to work out his ships can go faster then light so can easily overtake the people he is pursuing, i also guess it would explain why they need to do a "declocking" scan becuase they arn't watching for smaller ships while chasing people they are bent on killing.

its like you say though their villains they regularly act inept, and it it isn't just present in the Last Jedi. For me though their are to many issues that need fan made convoluted explanations that circling around chase through space for me to suspend belief. but like ive said a few time, if you like the film you will of course suspend your belief if you don't you won't.

Any way really sorry to the OP for getting of topic so much.

 

Yea, it could have been shown before. A suicide run would be a last resort tactic though. Wasting a life and a capital resource wouldn't be something that you would just do in every instance in my opinion.

 

It's not exactly that, but in TCW the Malevolence rams into some lifeless moon with the speed of light and the consequences of this manouvre are obviusly devastating.

 

I mean i think if you can navigate ship to appear between a shield and a planet you can jump a ship in front of another ships flight plan.

I mean if you really want to go in depth, a planet is moving through space so it is constantly (for example the earth is moving 30 thousand kilometres a second), now going by the planet shield around Scarif a planet shield is generally around the top of an atmosphere so that means you have to land yor ship from millions of light years away into a space of about 400 miles that is moving at 30 kilometres a second. The idea that you can't just a ship into empty space a little bit in front of a ship that has to keep moving at a constant speed or it will be caught seems utterly daft if you can calculate that.

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well then you get into the argument that droids could just do it, i mean during the clone wars most films were piloted by droid.
Plus we've been told constantly that its a Navi computer that does the calculations all the pilot does is press go when it comes to light speed, you don't think a droid could do that?

 

I may be wrong but the ships were moving at an accelerating. Not saying it couldn't be done but it would be a manual calculation, not done by the Navi computer. As I have said though, the best tactical decisions we think should have been made isn't always made by our characters in a movie. For me that doesn't really take away from the movie though.

As far a droid doing it, one could have but it wouldn't be a matter of just pushing a button. It wasn't Holdo's original plan. The plan was to turn broad side to mask the smaller ships escape and to lead the FO in a different direction. It was only when DJ gave that secret up, the plan failed, and Hux started to fire on and destroy the smaller ships that Holdo changed her tactic. It was always a suicide plan, but the tactic was changed mid plan.

 

like i said about 3 posts ago these are all very convulted answer maybe the ships accelerating in a way that needs a manuel calc that maybe could of been done with droid, maybe not.

as for the it not been Holdos original plan well you then you raise the issue as to why she could set the ship to auto pilot? or why the New Order wasnt scanning for cloacked ships when they obviously can and they where chasing people who where trying to escape or even why they went to get a master code breaker anyway considering Holdo had a plan which obviously had to share with a large number of the crew to work an miraculously didn't get round to poe finn rose or any one else involved in the mutiny on a small ship.. These things two we can invent reasons for which will make diffrent levels of sense.

but you hit the nail on the head for you it doesnt take away from the film which is 100% fine. For me personally their are too many moments like this especially surround thier chase through space plot line that does take away from my enjoyment of the film, though i freely admit if i liked the rest of the film more i would be more forgiving of these bits.
So it comes down to what i said ab like i said about 4 posts ago:

 

How can she zigzag when debris of her ship is hitting one stardestroyer at multiple places at the same time? You also see the direction of the debris has one source, namely that it originates from the Supremacy. It is common ballistics. The same happens for instance when a bullet hits a target. Momentum is not stopped by the object but the bullet breaks apart and fragments continue their momentum in different directions.

As for the question: "why didn't they use in previous military encounters":

1. We don't know if it was used in other encounters

or

2. Holdo's action could have been a complete novelty.

In any case, in terms of the internal logic of the narrative, the question is redundant. The narrative of previous movies did not demand a captain to jump his or her ship into a pursuing flotilla.

An explanation can be offered on the basis of :

1. the logic of the narrative: Hux did not expect Holdo to jump her ship into his flotilla. He had his enemy tied on a string. There was no escape. You might not like that they seemingly don't make the most logical decision but the logic you might ascribe to the proper resolution of the situation is based on hindsight. You only know what would have been the best tactical and logical decision because you know that Holdo eventually jumped her ship into Hux's fleet. That information wasn't available to either Hux or Holdo in the narrative. Her action is meant to be a narrative surprise/twist and it was.

or

2. Extra narrative. Here we might come up with a number of explanations. For instance, we know from the fact that the 'radar screen' that Holdo is looking at is tracking First Order ships and that she asks one of the monitors "where is this fleet moving to". You can see it in Hux and Holdo's first scene with Poe where the latter tries to advice her on what to do next. From this we might assume that Holdo has a clear view and understanding of First Order fleet movements and ongoing military operations. She might have manouevred her ship in such a direction that First Order ships might only jump in on flank with either their starboard or port sides exposed or in front of the resistance flotilla with their rear quarters (engines) exposed (anyone who has played Empire at War knows that this is a stupid decision ). Another explanation might be that the First Order is in fact calling in new ships but that they're still trying to bridge the distance between the location of the Resistance fleet and their present location. Furthermore, if the First Order blitz is anything comparable to actual Blitzkrieg military operations in the modern world, we can be quite sure that with an entire galaxy to conquer, the First Order is stretched quite thin in military resources. They're already committing one Flagship and 30 escort destroyers (Visual dictionary and Cross Sections) in their pursuit of the Resistance fleet. It is an overkill, and they know the resistance isn't going anywhere. If they jump one more time they die. There is no reason to call in extra ships when you have already committed 31 vessels. Jumping one of those 31 ships a but further in front of the Raddus and its escorts is also unlogical. In the first place because you overshoot your target quite considerably when you decide to bridge a 100 KM distance (between the Supremacy and the Raddus) with Hyperspace. You might also decide to jump in front of the Raddus and its escorts by allowing one of the pursuing ships to plot multiple jumps to jump directly in front of the Raddus. This takes time and the Raddus might easily anticipate the manouevre by changing sublight course. There would also be a logical friendly fire risk if the ship jumps in front of the Raddus and opens fire. We've already seen how this is a thing in First Order command operations when Hux calls Kylo to disengage his fighters from his attack on the Raddus. But note that all these explanations, all thisextra narrative spinning, are redundant because the narrative does not demand them.

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It is in fact a nod to the sacrifice of the Pegasus in this episode of Battlestar Galactica:

 

So the answer to the question is "No its not and official answer it your interpretation of it" It's a great answer though. I personally saw it as Holdo had plotted a course going through those ships and what you can see is is the resistance ship carving through them.

I 100% hope your answer is correct though, its far better then the way i viewed it!

Well i mean their are numerous times they could have used this tactic, sent a ship at light speed to destroy the droid ship in the 'Phantom Menace', or the blow up the oscillator on the Starkiller base in Force Awakens, you could probably work out some way of blowing up the Death Stars. its an incredible weapon to have considering how destructive it is, you think people would be using it in pretty much every battle ever. And no one has to die as droids can fly ships as we've seen numerous times and they are the tings that calculate lightspeed jumps so it not like it something only a person can do.

like ive said in many posts you can of course come up with convoluted fan made reasons and answers to justify any thing, and the above defiantly fall under that category, though i will say you really went to town on them well played.
But they are just fan made up reasons and for me some of these things need on screen reasons as they have such a massive part of the plot. But this is a personal point of view which i'm fine with if other people feel differently. You obviously feel that the narrative doesn't need it. Which is fine. Its a personal taste thing.