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Midi-chlorians and Bloodlines

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Yoda 2, Dec 7, 2015.

  1. Yoda 2

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    "This was something that we could all access. Being strong with the force didn’t mean something scientific, it meant something spiritual. It meant someone who could believe, someone who could reach down to the depths of your feelings and follow this primal energy that was flowing through all of us."
    Perfectly said JJ.
     
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    But he's wrong.

    "My father has it...I have it...and my sister has it".
    If it was just a spiritual thing that anyone could tap into then that would be an irrelevant line.
    It's genetic. It's in your genes and it likely runs in families.
    Midichlorians just gives a name to something that has existed since Obi Wan told Luke his father was a Jedi and that Luke can be a Jedi too.
    It was cemented when we discovered Leia is Luke's sister and has that power too.
    Midichlorians aren't the Force though. They just help you tap into the Force. You still need to believe!
    I think people just want to find fault with the prequels sometimes. Or worse still they're disappointed that they don't have midichlorians and can't be a Jedi. :p
     
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    Regardless of Midichlorians, it's canon that EVERYONE has the force-potential. To try to clarify both JJ AND GL, midichlorians are the literal, physical embodiment of the force that surrounds us. The Jedi are "Badass Monks," so they have the ability to access the force on a more spiritual level. Now, I'm not trying to say that literally anyone could train like A Jedi and use the force .BUUT, The force can be used and put to the test in times of need and it will call to us when we're ready, and it's up to us to be "one with the force" for a better understanding of life. In my opinion, to get a better understanding, read more about the spiritual teachings of Hinduism and Buddhism, which are very similar in theory and are extremely spiritual religions rather than being dictated by a God for fanatical reasons .
     
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    I said this on the main page. Don't hate me but I've never liked midi-chlorians. And don't get me wrong I am a huge science enthusiast.

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    To me Star Wars isn't science fiction it is fantastical mythology. It is not Star Trek.

    Midi-chlorians were part of the Jedi's ignorance of the Force. That's why the Jedi lost. Kenobi told Luke the truth about the Force and how it "binds us all". Hopefully TFA continues the more interesting aspects of the Force. Mysteries of the unknown.

    Even in science once one thing is explained it creates more questions to be answered. The universe can be explained by science but the soul of it remains a mystery.
     
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    It's actually A Soap Opera .
     
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    Soap opera is one part of it. The Force part of Star Wars is bigger than the Skywalker family I hope. And It seems JJ and Lucas film want to expand on the ideas of The Force.
     
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    I like midichlorians explanation.
    It would be boring if anyone can be a force sensitive and be a Jedi or Sith.

    Force sensitive where always special, not something common.

    Also in OT we learned that force sensitivity is hereditary.
     
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    Midi-chlorians are like elitist DNA. The whole idea of the Force was to teach and tell kids who watch the movie "you too can be a Jedi and do amazing things in your life". If Midi-chlorians are the final explanation then where do we go from here?
     
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    I never understood why people think midi-chlorians somehow tarnish the mythical nature of the force. I think some might be looking at it from the wrong perspective.
    I always looked at them as just a physical manifestation of an individual's attunement to the force.
    What I mean is you don't need to have a high midi-chlorian count to be strong in the force but the other way around, you have a high midi-chlorian count "because" you are strong in the force.
    In many esoteric theories physical matter always originates from the higher planes of existence (spiritual), the light is crystallized or condensed into a more and more gross type as it descends into manifestation in the physical world.
    Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.
     
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    Well if anyone can be a Jedi, why isn't Han Solo a jedi? Apparently he now believes in the Force, so where's his light saber?

    People need to get past midichlorians, it's just like any fantasy world. I don't get mad at Tolkien because, unlikely Aragorn, I'm not a Dunedain. It doesn't make me like LotR any less.
     
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    This is a great perspective.
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    Midi-chlorians just feel too superhero in nature.

    Not everyone can be a Jedi because the Force itself chooses who needs to be stronger in the Force. The Force is it's own entity unseen to physical beings.
     
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    But...being a Jedi is a metaphor for something else in the real world. Such as simply, having a positive mental attitude, being able to achieve anything and being the best you can be. Look kids are going to be disappointed, midichlorians or not, when they find out they can't be a Jedi. And to be honest, if you're willing to believe you can be a Jedi then you can probably believe that you have midichlorians.

    In Star Wars, it was established in the OT that the Force was genetically passed down. Luke's entire family had the Force. Kenobi and Yoda waited around for Luke because they knew his power potential. If anyone could be that powerful then why not just raise a baby from birth?!

    People just need to stop and take a breath here. By dismissing midichlorians you're dismissing what we were told in the OT.
    Having midichlorians doesn't ruin the theme of needing to believe or that the Force is a great mystery. It just simply explains why the Jedi can use the Force in the way that they do.

    And personally, I like a bit of science thrown in. As an atheist I can still believe in an 'energy' that connects us all. Having something within ourselves that allows us to tap into that is quite a clever little idea for a kooky sci-fi, soap opera, western or whatever-you-wanna-all-it movie.
     
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    I am not religious at all. But even in science once one thing is explained more questions arise. We will never know all the answers to everything in the universe. The Force is and should be greater than simple explanations.
     
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    He said that's what his 11-year old brain believed back in 1977 but it's not the canon.

    But even the first movie had a guy declaring trying to follow the footsteps of his "dead" father when his foster uncle and aunt were killed off.

    The subsequent movies like Empire added (father & son) and Jedi (brother and sister) added

    Yoda: Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walker.

    And Luke repeating laying out the family power to Leia when he tells her that he is his sister.
     
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    Return of the Jedi Story Conference, 1981:

    Kasdan: The Force was available to anyone who could hook into it?

    Lucas: Yes, everybody can do it.

    Kasdan: Not just the Jedi?

    Lucas: It’s just the Jedi who take the time to do it.

    Marquand: They use it as a technique.

    Lucas: Like yoga. If you want to take the time to do it, you can do it; but the ones that really want to do it are the ones who are into that kind of thing. Also like karate.
     
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    Well, yes - everyone has midichlorians. So they technically could to some level, tap into the Force. But the Jedi have lots of midichlorians. The Skywalker family have the most ever known, apparently.

    The point is, Yoda & Ben wait for 20 years to train Luke so he can destroy the Emperor. If they could just train anyone then, well, why didn't they?
    Because they knew connection to the Force is genetic and was passed down from Vader to Luke (and Leia).
    Midichlorians explains that process. But it far from explains the nature of the Force itself.
     
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    YES! That's how Lucas wanted it initially. Like a Shaolin Monk. Everyone has Chi but the Shaolin Monks train to harness their Chi.
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    Wait a minute. The only reason Vader defeated the Emperor was because he couldn't see Luke his son be killed. Vader killed the Emperor.
     
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    Yes. But Yoda and Ben didn't foresee that. They trained Luke to do that. But Luke nearly turned to the Dark Side, realised this, threw down his saber but was then saved by Vader. Vader then went on to destroy the Emperor - thus redeeming himself. Something Yoda and Ben didn't think would ever happen. Ergo, they trained Luke to kill the Emperor and thought he would have the power because he was Anakin's son.
     
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