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New concept of the Force.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Jun 7, 2017.

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    Maz Kanata defines Force as "Light that has been Here Always".Yoda defines Force as creative and binding energy that is behind phenomenon of Life,a creative Force.
    Thrawn defines "threat"in the UR as the enemy of all Life,this is I presume this same"source of Dark side that Palpatine felt.Palpatine disgust core ofJaku which"holds spark of life'.It could be just a bad writing but my belief on dualistic Force has been shaken.I suspect Dark side is derivate of the Force that came into being after .I think conscious being or beings could be cause of Schism that caused Dark side manifestation as an isolated phenomenon.In a manner of my OP someone or some-thing put a dam and turned part of main current of the Force into different dirrection making ripples in time-space contunuum of the Living Force presence,such is the cave on Dagobah for instance.
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 26, 2017, Original Post Date: Jun 26, 2017 ---
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    The Jedi and Sith didn't believe in the Force outside their own little club for that they were both destroyed.
     
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    I don't want those questions answered. I don't need to go to the root of things, or explain how many different relationships groups have with it. In Clone Wars it was a stupid idea on George's behalf to do the whole "Holy Trinity" episodes with the father and twins. Instead of each viewer interpreting the Force in their own unique way, he now solidified more unnecessary facts about it.
     
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    my theory is that luke has reached such a level of purity with the force that to destroy snoke it would also kill him. so the story revolves around getting both rey/ben to the 'balance' side before he can do this.
     
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    Tarkin Novel,Page 113 cited on many ocasions Canon.
    Darth Plagueis developed belief Force could strike back on him ,from the context its clear this was because he acquired great power.

    Palpatine wanted to "bypass" this "Plagueis rule" by acheiving ultimate power ,by shaping the reality itself to suite himself,in other words to subdue will of the Force to himself.....he, obviously failed,Force did strike back on him to.
     
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    Duly Noted - So it seems the accumulation of too much power will cause the force to fight back against it - Like a rubber band being pulled to far in one direction. Less of an actual conscious action and more of a reaction to the circumstance. The smaller the pull, the lighter the snap back, but in tha case of Plagueis and Palpatine it snapped back hard
     
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    This "rubber" has something more to say.Lightsiders die and their spirits join the Force but can have Force spirits,Darksiders spirits can't do that.Force favours light,doing good things.
    Pablo Hidalgo said that about Force spirits.
     
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    There is a difference between what characters think and interpret and how it really works.
     
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    The Living Force is generating its stream from Life itself,in the meantime sustaining and creating life.That Living Force is Light.It enables,for instance,existance of Force spirits for duration of time.The Living Force feeds and contributes to a greater Cosmic Force.It is probably not required for average moviegores to debate about this though I believe this respected forum has a capacity for us to dwell into philosophy of this .

    Where does Dark side fitts ih this ?Is Dark side a property of greater Cosmic Force?Or is it a counterpart of Living Force on its level?

    Yupe Tashu in the Aftermath Novel mentioned that some Sith Lords were able to feed the Dark side by draining Force from their captives,by this strenghtening their ties with Dark side and this granted them prolonged life,Tashu says some Siths were able to live for centuries by draining Force untill killing their captives ,feeding the Dark side.

    Aftermath book 1. page 187.
     
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    so this further stresses the fact The Darkside is a full on the selfish corruption of the force and true balance is not the actual goal in the universe.
    by force favouring the light, we are then saying - that'ss an interesting yet completely plausible and logical take on everything is given what we know

    I appreciate your clarity and use of sources
     
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    It could be that Cosmic Force is above both Dark side and Light side.
    That is the main"river" as someone stated on OP.Dark side appears to be more problematic.
     
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    it's an interesting thought experiment for sure - Back in TCW when they visited Mortis they spoke with The Ones who seemed to be embodiments of the force. Reading further into The Ones tells me they are referred to as Celestials that could shape the galaxies via the force to their liking.

    it could be that the GFFA was just one galaxy formed by the celestials and in this galaxy, the light side is dominant and is therefore in a constant struggle against the Dark.
     
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    "....all living things. All are caught in the river of power that is the Force, trapped by its currents. Only those who wield the dark side of the Force are capable of changing those currents; they are riverbreakers. They do not surrender to fate. They are its foes."

    Chuck Wendig:Aftermath Empire's end.
     
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