New Planet D'qar

And all of them are new only by name, because all of them look the same as planets we already have seen in previous 6 movies.

 

did you have any other ideas?

 

Yep millions of others. Only the imagination is the limit.
In previous 6 movies all planets where unique not only by the name, but also by the look and environment.

I expected the same from this movie and we will get basically same planets as in previous 6 movies, just with different names.
I am so very disappointed with the planets in TFA. Everything looks like it is filmed on Earth. Nothing looks alien and new.

 

Except they won't change the names of Coruscant, Naboo, Mustafar, Yavin IV, Tattooine, Etc.

 

I think you're right. JJ essentially did a remake of Wrath of Khan.

I'm starting to be very worried this just going to be a not so loose remake of ANH.

It is becoming evident that JJ isn't very original or bold. He's just a control freak.


I hope I'm wrong.

 

Please list your ideas for new planets. I've been thinking of making a thread where people can list their new ideas.

 

That would take forever. I have a whole bunch of ideas.

Planets with green, yellow, red, orange, pink or purple skys.
Various flora. Like black colored plants.
Planet inside Nebula, where twilight is non-stop.
Dual planet
Crystalline planets.

Uh soo many ideas I have.
Create that thread, and I will give you alot of different ideas.

Like someone already said, more and more I hear about TFA story, more and more I'am disappointed.
Not only planets look like rip-off of planets from previous 6 movies.
But whole movie feels more and more like rip-off of ANH.

 

well to be honest i've never seen trees on hoth nor water on endor.

but ah well i'm leaving this discussion about "originality"

 

The thread is up.
I always liked that the planets of the OT were grounded in some reality and weren't overly fantastical. I don't think Takodana and D'qar are rip-offs (other than maybe the look of the base itself), though I think they look too much alike from what we have seen.

 

Maybe they feel the need to ground things because they are going crazy in other places like 25 foot tall Snake men.

90% of Into Darkness is different than Wrath of Khan. He attempted to rework a few of the crucial scenes but it is a very different story.

 

JJ & co were in an impossible situation re: the planets. If they went with a forest, snowy environment, or desert, it would be seen as a ripoff of OT.

Yet people criticized the worlds of PT as being too CGI based.

They couldn't win.

They could have tried harder though.

My issue is with the worlds, general storyline, and details is that they are SOOOOOOO derivitive of ANH.

An urgent message about an evil WMD message sent by droid?

A meeting with a wise old man in the desert.

People burned alive by stormtroopers in the desert on orders from a dark robed lord?

Using the falcon to escape evil troops a desert planet?

Starting the film in a desert planet with a lonely teen who has a Very Special. Destiny?


This is McCoy playing with a dead tribble and "the needs of the many" from Star Trek into darkness all over again. IT APPEARS.

 

Remember, he didn't outright say that he IS 25 feet tall, but that he was on a platform.

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It's like with the four types of matter, those planets have already been done...there's only so much where you can go at that point. Remember---if you think you have an original idea, SOMEONE has already thought of it in all
Of existence, regardless of it we. Have seen/heard it or not.

 

I respectfully disagree.

The federation is secretly developing advanced technology.

Khan is obsessed with killing the captain of a Federation starship.

Khan uses another Federation captain (Kirk in STID, the black Capt. In. Khan) as a means to achieve his ends.

Khan kills a high ranking officer of the Enterprise

Carol markanson

Khan is directly responsible for the death of a commanding officer of Federation vessel (more than once in STID)

First officer/captain of Enterprise is killed by radiation in reactor saving the ship.

People are stuffed into torpedos and they cannot get out on them on their own.
Khaaaaaaaaan!!! in defience.


I'll stop there but there's more stuff that both movies have in common. It's way more than 10%

 

1: I don't think the message is about Starkiller Base. I believe it is still about getting to Luke, even if it isn't the saber, though I believe it still is.

2: MVS's character likely dies in the opening scenes, so other than being old and in a desert, he isn't very Old Ben to me. And he is the one giving the "message," not receiving it like Ben did.

3: This is an entire village being burned on screen with flamethrowers, and Kylo himself is directly involved. It also isn't the motivation for Rey to leave like the death of Owen and Beru were for Luke.

4: Finn and Rey seemingly steal the Falcon to get away from the First Order. They aren't hiring it to get off planet like Luke and Ben.

5: This is the Skywalker saga. Of course she has a special destiny. The Force is guiding her just like it guided Anakin and Luke.

6: The Sequels, like the Prequels, will reflect the rest of the saga while adding new elements and twists.

 

But you're making my point. They barely tweaked the plot to make barely seem new.


The flame troopers are killing innocent citizens in order to find a droid and/or Poe/MVS. THATS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN ANH

You don't see stormtroopers burn anyone ANH, so there is no way for you to know Darth came down to oversee. You can't prove they found Owen and Beru on first try. If they stopped at the wrong farm first, those people would be dead.

Also, they killed Jawas, so the stormtroopers went on a killing spree.

And if Leia sent Poe to MVS to get info or the saber and BB-8 is used to transport the saber/info back to the hidden rebel base....so that a bunch of Xwings can destroy the WMD the Imperial have that's nearly the exact plot of ANH



There's a difference between dialogue (I have a bad feeling about this/ this is where the fun begins) or situations (Sith Lord cuts off hand of a padowan in a duel), and cut and pasting an entire story and tweaking A few details.

 

You can't base comparisons on what we didn't see happening in ANH.

Stormtroopers kill. That is what they do. They are possibly there so Kylo can get the saber in order to find Luke. That is not the same as stolen plans to the Death Star. You are assuming again that the info in BB is related to the destruction of Starkiller Base. I'm saying it isn't.
I disagree that they are just cutting and pasting. MVS for instance isn't a cut and past of Ben other than being an old guy in a desert. Ben was isolated, MVS looks to be the elder of the village. Ben was a mentor to Luke who took him on the journey. MVS dies at the beginning.

You are also ignoring the differences. Where was a defecting Stormtrooper in ANH, for instance?

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Just to be clear, I agree that there are elements of ANH, but I see things from the other films too and new stuff. I believe this is a continuation of what we find in the "Ring Theory" idea. I also think we will get more variety as the films progress.

 

You're right, Leia sending someone to visit an old man on a sparsely populated, isolated desert planet which leads to innocent civilians are burned alive by stormtroopers who are lead by a dark robed lord who kills the old man long before the end of the movie.

A teenager who grew up on the desert planet and who dreams of bigger things encounters a droid who is involved with the fight against evil forces. That young person teams up with someone who used to be employed by the evil army, but he had a crisis of conscience and chose a different path. This person can kill with skill.

They both use the millennium falcon to escape that desert plant to avoid Imperial troops. At one point, the former evil army member mans a falcon gun pod

And a group of X wing fighters attack a gigantic dangerous weapon the forces of evil have developed.


Which movie am I describing?

Times up.

 

Agreed. There are only so many types of planets and terrains in the known universe. Skipping all the inhabitable types, we're left with mostly what has already been used. Creating new planets would almost require inventing elements, terrains, and natural objects unknown to viewers. This would be challenging to explain to the audience and may come off as looking strange, similarly to that of the PT.

 

Also, I reject the premise that Episode VII being heavily steeped in patterns of the previous films and then future films featuring "variety" is anything but an insane, insulting, and idiotic.

Only two Star Wars films had a clean slate: ANH and TFA.

ESB, TPM, all had the burden of either what came before, or an end point to work towards.

JJ & KK could have done anything.

They could have the story 100 years after Endor.

I have no problem with using the OT characters to begin the journey of a new tale of new generation.


But JJ & KK appear to have taken the easy way. Heavily reapeating elements of the OT (Maz's watering hole seems like a cross between Jabba's palace and Mos Eisley cantina) in a way that is eerily similar to what JJ did in STID, well frankly is really disappointing if it's true.

 

I see how it debunks the estrangement theory. She's saying that they are balancing their work & relationship. She wouldn't say that if they were estranged.

I don't think that this book quote is supposed to be analyzed quite so much as to the whys and hows of it.