New Planet D'qar

I'm a little bummed Leia's base isn't on Naboo because it looks like friggin' Naboo and it would have been a nice, non-ridiculous way to tie the three trilogies together and be done with it.

"Oh well..."

 

1) you don't know why he's meeting with, so you can't discount the comparison.

We can only say for sure that I
Poe is meeting with MVS because MVS can in some way help Leia and the resistance. a copilot astrotech droid is involved. Very similar to ANH.

2) MVS is a wise old man. Leia asked Ben to send a message to the Rebels (the Death Star plans in R2D2..nobody gave a f*** about the droid, he's just a big rolling thumb drive). They are both old men asked by Leia to help the freedom fighters. She wasn't asking Kenobi to attack the Death Star or lead troops, Ben had a message to be delivered to the Rebels.

3) Luke and Han use the Falcon to escape a desert planet with evil army forces trying to kill them. So do Rey and Finn.

4) you don't how they gain control of the falcon or who is flying it in TFA so this point is completely invalid.

5) yep, but they DIDNT HAVE TO PUT HER AWAY FROM HER BLOOD RELATIVES AND ALONE ON A DESERT PLANET. WHICH IS THE SAME THING AS ANH

6) agreed. But TFA isn't shaping up to be very original.


No one, and I mean no one thinks that TFA will be exactly the same as ANH. you are constructing a straw man argument.

 

If you're filming a movie with emphasizing realistic environments and practical effects that means filming on Earth.

 

I get where you are coming from but the major premise of the TOS Khan episode and Wrath of Khan is never visited. The enterprise does not find Khan and his people, they don't free them, they don't maroon them on a desolate planet. The federation does not accidentally visit that planet freeing Khan and his people. Khan and his people do not seek out and destroy Kirk for marooning them. Khan is not the one fueled by vengeance his whole motive is different. TOS Khan was an indiscriminant conqueror new Khan was trying to rescue and keep alive his people before he would likely indiscriminantly conquer. The major villain of Wrath of Khan is Khan not another federation admiral who happens to be worried about Klingons. There is no Genesis project in Into Darkness. Khan does not kill Kirk's son. The few parts that are similar they still switch. Kirk sacrifices his life not Spock. Kirk is saved by Khan's blood not the miracle science of the Genesis project.

So 85%.

 

Lol. Let's call 74.3%

Seriously, you're absolutely right about the distinctions between the two.

I hope there is as much difference between TFA & ANH.

And for the record I enjoyed STID.

 

I have to agree with those who complain about the planets looking similar. I liked the variation in planets of the PT. I even wondered after seeing the awesome interstellar planets of Avatar and Guardians of the Galaxy would SW look "not like distant worlds."

 

Game of thrones does a great job with geographic diversity.

Also, I think if Jakku had been featured in EpVIII, it would have seemed less derivitive.

I don't mind the snowy world because it has mountains and forests. It doesn't feel like Hoth at all.

Naboo was beautiful and original and diverse. For all its flaws, TPM had three distinct planets, two of them new.

Jakku has always been a desert planet. Starting things there was a mistake, IMO.

I think I know why they start things there but it goes back to the battle of Jakku. If they had put that battle in a planet that was was a tropical environment or grasslands or hill country (seriously Lord of the rings had tons of different kinds of geography And was all shot in New Zealand) it would have felt like a fresh beginning that was exciting.

That would have required a director with guts and creativity. JJ is so boring the difference between spearmint and wintergreen gum is mind blowing.

 

Actually if you look at all the images and footage we have gotten for this movie the sequence of the Falcon is Rey and Finn running into the Falcon while being chased by the FO and flying off in it with Rey at the controls and Finn on the guns.

1. We see numerous shots of Rey, Finn and BB8 running from stormtroopers and TIEs on Jakku
2. The stills from celebration show Rey, Finn, and BB8 running from an explosion to the ramp of the Falcon
3. The behind the scenes video shows Rey in a model of the Falcon's cockpit flying the Falcon alone. There are IMAX cameras and we know the IMAX scene is the with the Falcon flying off Jakku
4. We see footage of the explosion they were running from now being a ship they were heading initially for
5. We have the two "I can do it" clips of Rey in the cockpit alone and Finn at the guns obviously on Jakku
6. Rey in the cockpit alone yelling for BB8 to hold on

We don't know much for sure about TFA but one thing we can be sure about is that Rey, Finn and BB8 are chased by the fFO on Jakku. They head for a ship and it is destroyed. The turn and head to the Falcon. They board the Falcon and Rey pilot it and Finn mans the guns as they flee from Jakku.

 

Nooooooo, we have trailers.

Rey obviously flies it at some point, but it is an assumption that she is flying it on Jakku. (I think she is but there is no proof)

She is flying it at some point.

We have seen exactly zero shots facing out of the COCKPIT while ON A PLANET.

I'll admit I was being kind of a jerk on my response to #4 because the person I was responding to keep using one set of rules for their arguments and another for mine.

Edit: I just saw a poor quality TV spot that seems to be the one shot you're referring to. So I do see kind of what you're saying. My bad.

It doesn't prove that Han isn't on the ship (because there is no context). Han was trying to fix the hyperdrive when they stumbled into that asteroid field.

Which goes to my overall point. Everyone is trying to point out all the differences and nitpick between ANH & TFA.

My point is that there lots of differences we shouldn't have to discuss the 100 little ways they are different. I'm sad there are so many obvious and basic similarities in story beats and actions of character so that these sort of discussions of detailed minute contrasting occur.

TFA shares at least 35% of the story, character types, and character behavior and that's waaaaay too much for me.

 

Thank you for saying i have been saying, JJ did in fact remake WoK, nothing he has done is original and what we are about to see in TFA looks like a soft reboot, by playing it safe. I to hope i wrong, but everything seems to lead in the direction. He will be known as killing two of the greatest franchises of all time.

Yup, HUGE ripoff and i am surprised by the those that are willing to just not criticize what some people think JJ is the greatest director EVER, i am sorry he is average and much of this work is below the mark.

That would have been nice, i wonder what Naboo is like today? Well in this time i mean.

 

I don't really have an opinion on whether JJ is a
Good or average director but I am puzzled at why people seem to blame him for the story deficiencies of his Star Trek movies when he did not write the scripts. I could see if the complaint was about pacing or how certain sequences looked onscreen or even how the script was executed it would make sense because he was the director. But the story itself does not fall on his shoulders.

 

That's exactly how I interpret it, which is why I don't feel it provides any soft of evidence to debunk the theory that Han and Leia are estranged...

Well not exactly... she says she learned to balance them during the Galacitc Civil War. It says nothing of her present relationships, let alone her relationship with Han.

And even if it did, it still doesn't debunk anything. Leia doesn't let her duty to the Resistance get in the way of her relationship with her friends and family.
That's nice... but that doesn't mean that her relationships have suffered for other reasons.

It's actually been proven.
There is one big IMAX sequence in the movie, which we know for fact is the big Jakku escape sequence.
During the Behind the scenes video, we get a shot of Rey, piloting the Falcon WITH IMAX CAMERAS filming the action.

But we have seen 2 shots of Finn on the belly gun turret, with the Jakku desert visible outside... with dialogue that connects directly to scenes with Rey in the pilot seat.

Firstly, Harrison Ford was never in Abu Dhabi, which means he doesn't appear on Jakku.
2nd, this evidence from the same book these other new details come from:

It doesn't make any sense for Han and Chewie to be on the Falcon during the escape from Jakku.

 

nailed it. good thoughts.

 

They wanted Jakku to be a desolate world. It was uninhabited before the Battle of Jakku. So it couldn't have been a grasslands, tropics or any other environment where people would already have colonized it. Having said that, they could have picked a rockier planet, etc. I understand the reason why he wanted it to look the same but he's hitting us over the head with the analogies, there are subtler ways to do that.

Also, whenever I see D'Qar I think of J'Kar.

 

That's not true... in an interlude from Aftermath, war refugee Corwin Ballast heads off to Jakku to avoid the fighting between the Empire and the New Republic... if only he knew that one of the largest conflicts would take place there less than a year later.
Prior to the battle, Jakku was a planet with several mining operations, as well as "Wheel Races."

 

Well that's what I get for reading only Lost Stars and not Aftermath. They described it as "worthless" in Lost Stars.
But my point is still the same- the planet had to be a nasty place for the story to work, but it didn't have to look so similar to Tattoine.

 

I actually would of preferred it to have been a one-time lush alien biosphere that was wrecked by all the extinction-level event impacts those Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyer caused 29 years earlier... but.. that's just my own zany imagination and well rounded sci-fi background talking. what do i know?

 

Jakku has air conditioning confirmed

 

1- Neither do you and yet you say it is a cut and paste. At least I am going by the rumors. Your comparisons are surface.
2- MVS isn't given a message by Leia. Leia is contacted by him about something he has. And again, he dies in the beginning from what we know. He also doesn't appear to have any Force powers.
3- It echos the ANH scene, but happens in a different way. I don't see the problem. You point out the similarities to ANH, I point out the differences. Welcome to Star Wars.
4- It is pretty clear that they steal it and Han hasn't seen it in awhile, hence "Chewie, we're home." We have also seen that Rey is piloting it on Jakku in the trailers. No one but BB, Finn, and Rey have been seen on the Falcon while on Jakku.
5- Rey's life echoes her fathers (I believe 100% she is Luke's daughter - just a gut feeling), just as Anakin's did. Yet she appears to be completely alone and barely surviving as a scavenger of old crashed ships. She probably wants to get off Jakku for more than adventure. Luke had a father and mother figure to raise him on a moisture farm and just wanted adventure.
6- I disagree. Where is the deserting trooper character? Where is the ancient pirate with powers we likely haven't seen before? Where is the leader of the stormtroopers hunting down the deserting trooper? Where are the troopers who have the gear to face off against a saber? Where is the equivalent to the Knights of Ren in ANH?

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"Only two Star Wars films had a clean slate: ANH and TFA. ESB, TPM, all had the burden of either what came before, or an end point to work towards."

I don't think TFA should have a "clean slate." It is a sequel to the rest of the Skywalker saga and is continuing it in a way that grounds us to the rest of the saga. If they had set it a hundred years after Endor, I wouldn't be as interested. Leave that to the unnumbered films. They are trying to get people back into Star Wars by grounding it in what they remember from the OT. I think that is wise as so many people are turned off by the prequels, for good reasons or not. If it looked radically different, it wouldn't excite as many people as it has. People would look at the trailer and think "great, more of that prequel crap!" People are looking at the trailers and having nostalgia while seeing new characters play in that world. Once they are grounded, then they can branch out and give us more variety and people will already be hooked. You say "insane, insulting, and idiotic" I say genius.

 

Hah, you'd make a great evil genius, if you were so inclined!!