SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 5 Discussion

I don’t get the love for this show, the acting , writing and direction have all been mediocre! And in time I believe this will be thought off as a poor show. Compare it to the likes of stranger things or even Star Trek Strange new worlds. It’s not even in the same conversation . It’s a massive letdown! Just like the prequels! The makers of the show have shown no balls whatsoever with the show. Just very safe and dull! Didn’t know leia. Was a electrician! She should have followed that path! A less stressful life would have followed!

 

you could use the same, it seems.

 

Sorry, but I don't get your hate for this show.

Other than your disbelief at the notion of Leia crawling into the little wire room to open up the roof, you gave the rest of us nothing to justify the level of concern you have about...the acting....the writing...the direction...and the show's 'lack of balls.'

I found it interesting that your take came in response to, of all of the episodes thus far, Episode Five. We'll see what others say, but my guess is that the majority of fans here will tout it as the best one in the series so far.

 

Okay, so I'm coming at this having not actually watched this week's episode yet, but having an idea of a few things that happen... but hear me out.

-One big expectation of the finale is that we'll see Obi Wan find Qui Gon as a ghost, finally.

-Additionally, we know that Hayden is already reprising his role as Anakin, and has been periodically showing up in various ways.

-Finally... there's always been this weird plot hole of how Anakin knew how to be a force ghost. Nothing that's gonna ruin my day... but I can understand how it doesn't quite jive with the lore.



What if, somehow, we see this, though? Like, what if whatever good is in Anakin somehow manifests to Kenobi in a more literal, not quite hallucinogenic or psychological way in the finale?

It may be that there isn't much in the lore to support this either (yet) but anyone who claims to know the totality of the force is simply showing they don't understand its mysticism... so while I personally don't think this is needed, I also don't feel it's totally out of bounds either.

 

It's difficult to enter a pre-existing universe and write a story for people with so many demands pulling in all directions. The writing was not great imho. But to be fair to the writer who put some fun gems into the story, it looks like someone above him may have meddled to squeeze in what they wanted for nostalgia and perhaps (who knows?) to sell plastic toys made in overseas cheap-labor factories, while the PR team, perhaps-- not pointing fingers to be sure, but it's the climate we are in-- puts a good spin on how much a company cares about slavery and race and equality, as the executives float off on their superyachts to analyze the data of you watching their show so they can tweak it for $$, and which countries they can highlight or hide certain races of people to market a product to max profits, or maybe use marketing psychologists to manipulate kids into nagging moneyholding parents into buying more of their products and services. The "nag factor" tactics that companies use to get to the parents' wallet through their kids. They care about whatever group of people on their charts has disposable income dollars today. That's what color the people will be outside of the gates of an expensive theme park for privileged people.

Just being real outside the tv screen fantasy world. I'd like to see an independently-investigated report and video next to each piece of merchandise to see how workers are treated, and whether they are treated fairly by pay, working conditions, race, gender and sexual orientation. If the corporation really cares about such things, they should have no problem with it.

I'll hold on my overall opinion til the end of the last episode. I changed my mind for the sequels in the very last scene. Some people will like it, some people will hate it, and that's okay. The acting is fine, EM especially a good actor. There were some good moments.

Can't feel anything for Reva after the previous events of the show. They did slip a message in about "Wade in the water," a reference to black slavery in America, and a nod to Harriet Tubman, a hero of mine. Her nickname was also Moses.

I don't want to watch a bunch of old things to try to relive the glory of the past, alongside a minor story drawn out over a month. To me, that's like watching an exhibition fight of fighters no longer in their prime, who were once the great greats, just coming out with makeup on, and rubber bands to hold their bodies together for a few rounds to put on a show with a predictable outcome. A lot of fans enjoy that. Let them have their moment of fun. For me, the real deal of SW is episodes 3, 4, 5, and 6 that people can unite around and enjoy. After that, the fan art is what I enjoy most.
Criticism is great! We just make sure not to lose the love that SW was all about.

The actors did fine. Not their fault. O'Shea's dad Cube was right-- Everythang's Frecked Up. Moses is a beautiful, lovely, smart person. Vivian/Leia convinced me she was Leia. Can you imagine pulling that role off at that age?

I've waited long for Aunt Beru, the glue that holds SW together. Take out that one character, and Luke is a punk kid desert moisture farmer, who turns to spice addictions and 40 years later, he's telling some old broad with a camel that he's Luke. Luke who? Luke Skywalker. Oh yes, I've heard of you.

 

Probably the best episode alongside the 4th.
The twist was amazing concerning Reva's past.
The duality and the conection of Anakin and Obi Wan was really well made.

 

I do think the actors are trying there best to be fair. They have been let down by the scripts and direction. Horrible to compare I know, there are much better shows out there than this. It’s mildly entertaining at times. And that’s it! I just was expecting it to be better than what it’s turned out to be. I’m not hating! It’s watchable. I don’t hate it. The first episode is still the best . And we only have one episode left! It’s sad that they don’t have the talent that other shows have . The script writing is the main problem with this show.

 

Interesting thoughts.
Qui Gon leaks:

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The leaks say he will appear at the end of the final episode. Something we assumed from the first episode. It would be crazy if he doesn't after all of that.

What's good in Anakin is sitting in Tatooine waiting to return to him in ROTJ. He's a piece of excrement in this series, something they got right.

I'd like to know why they release the show at 3 in the morning (eastern) on Wednesday. Optimal time? Someone a Simon & Garfunkel fan?

 

So help the rest of us out by sharing what you were expecting from the scripts that you didn't get.

 

This episode was ab.so.lute.ly loaded with plenty of content for both Lovers & Loathers alike.




After first watch - on my Clumsy & Stupid SCALE: Episode 5 gets 8.125 out of 10 stars.

 

I'm with you in that it's okay to be critical. People might think all critics are somehow toxic or racist, and don't realize they themselves could become the haters, if they don't carefully consider that all you're saying is it subjectively was a stinker of a series for you, and you weren't feeling it. I wasn't feeling it, but I'm not a big prequels fan either, except for ROTS. There are people who will feel it the way someone else felt Luke when he appeared in the Mandalorian. I respect your guts for putting your honest feelings out there. I like to read honest opinions, and not only people who say everything is good and perfect all the time, because they're lying to themselves.

There are people who make a living from stirring the pot of hate on places like YT, or from creating controversy in media to get publicity and make more money. Those are the real toxins.

There's one big surprise for me in the series---> No Grogu. But I thought the Path and the implication that he maybe went through there too, was something that could add to later stories.

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Star Wars 10: Greedo lives, and has been successful in his blasterproof vest business, Maclunkey Armor, with the slogan, "It doesn't matter who shoots first, it matters who has the last laugh." It's revealed that the ST was all the wealthy oligarch Greedo's plot to kill Han and destroy his kid's life.

 

I hope nothing bad happens to Luke!

 

If Leia doesn't work out, that boy is our only hope.

 

I agree Sheddai. But it doesn't take any guts for a critic to say something sucks. What does take some guts is to put out to the board why.

 

I like my idea if they want to excite people for a second season. Have a cliffhanger with Wade surviving, hiding out in the fortress inquisitorious, and figuring out how to open those tombs, and Tera Sinube walks out. The end.

Episode 4 contained a hidden message of baptism, and a reference to black slavery in America. Wade in the Water was a song sung by escaping slaves, and Wade was separated from his friend Sully, or "unsullied" when he plunged into the water, a Christian baptism reference. Wade in the Water is sung in U.S. southern baptist churches during baptisms.

I don't know that this can refer to anyone else except Reva, and it could mean that she will turn to the light side. If it refers to Kenobi restoring his faith or connection to the Force, I don't think it fits. What fits is Reva.

It may be a reason why PR pre-emptively put out anti-racism messaging before anything was even said about actors.

 

I enjoyed that. It felt tense for me, how close Reva and Vader would get. I thought she wanted to be Vader’s apprentice, but was caught off guard by her true motive. Yeah, I don’t see her coming back to the Light. She's too far into revenge and Obi-wan is probably going to have to kill her on Tatooine.

The flashbacks were well done, imo. Hayden’s age threw it off a bit, but it was a minor nitpick, imo, and it was great to see the elements in that duel in mirror what was going on in the present.

On leaving Reva alive, I kinda saw that as a “suffer in your failure.” She failed to kill Vader, he revealed he knew for..some time at least and she tipped her hand when she tried to kill him, so she can’t really go back. All that seems left is to go after Kenobi, because she clearly still harbors anger for him as well. Add in learning that Owen lied to her.

one episode left. I’m honestly anticipating her ending up the same way as Maul. Maybe not quite as quickly, but still falling by Kenobi’s blade in defending an unaware Luke.

 

I think she'll turn good. It's beautiful for people of any color or shape to have a hero to whom they can relate, if that's where they go. Who would object to little kids having a story they can look at, and think, this is me. I may have done some things I'm not proud of, but I can wash in the water and change too. I want to be like this special thing. But kids did that with Luke, they didn't think about him being white, and they are called racist if they don't want their special story changed for their hero. That's all. I would like SW to not be racist against anyone including the white cast. SW is about love, represented by Luke, who might as well be a purple alien.

Some of the leaks that have upset people involve a possible scene with Luke and

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Reva, because they don't want the Luke Skywalker story changed. If it happens, there's one thing I can think of that could make it better, and that is to have a cute scene where young farmboy Luke is the one who turns Reva around, relating her to the little girl inside of herself, an age when we do not see differences until we are taught to see them. Not in the leaks, but it would make sense.

 

While I get that, I personally just haven’t seen anything about her that suggests the hope of a turn. She’s very set on revenge. If they do it, they do it. But I don’t see it happening with one ep left. She’s holding a lot of pain and hate.

 

I talk to a guy who goes into prisons and ministers to people who have done worse things than Reva, and are more messed up psychologically. He believes in them. We've been down that road with Anakin, who snaps kids' necks, and he still changed in the end, seconds after trying to kill his own son. It could happen.

 

This was the best episode in what has been, IMHO, a rather average series. I'd give it a 7.1/10. The writing just continues to plague these episodes. It's not up to snuff. I get that Disney probably blew their budget on the talent, but man they needed a Filoni or Favreau to come in and really go over the script with a fine-tooth comb. And along those lines, there's no sense of scope. Vader and Reva had a nice action scene, but it was all staged in one singular spot. Contrast that to the duel in ESB and you'll get where I'm coming from. And then there's Electrician Leia, another lightsaber-to-the-gut that we have to expect the victim will survive (is Han the ONLY person is that galaxy that being stabbed in the stomach kills?) and Bail's idiotic decision to send a message that specifically names Tatooine. I dunno. I expected better.

So on to the positive: I liked the cat-and-mouse game; OB1's continued superior mental game is cool. The Godfather II-type juxtaposition that framed the story was great. Any scene with a Star Destroyer approaching a planet (not in-atmosphere) is awesome. Moses was finally given the opportunity to ACT in the scene where she talks to OB1 through the door. She wasn't just barking cliched threats, but actually digging down giving us some meat. Oh, and Vader's voice is on-point (unlike R1 -- a movie I loved -- where they really screwed up his voice/inflection).

Anyway, hoping next week brings a satisfying conclusion ... or cliffhanger ... or whatever!