SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 5 Discussion

Maybe. (Cheater) They will have to make it a very long episode, though. Those 30 minute shows disappear fast. We have to see the Reva-Bail hologram thing you said, sweet Aunt Beru, maybe Roken's end story unless they leave that to imagination, a cliffhanger if they plan season 2, then if the leaks are accurate as you said, the Reva final scenes. Then another Kenobi-Vader confrontation. And Qui Gon. I hope the long 1+ hour runtime rumor is accurate.

 

At this point, I don't think Qui-Gon will show up untill the very end. (I don't remember having seen spoilers on this, so this is just speculations on my part). Obi-Wan will then have brought himself out of his slump by helping Leia and restored his faith in civilization, or whatnot, and then he can all of a sudden hear Qui-Gon talking to him; his master has been there all along, but Obi-Wan just couldn't hear him. Now begins the Force Ghost training, and the broken and beaten Kenobi turns into the funky, crazy-old-wizard we get in ANH, full of gall, life, and humor.

 

... and celebrating his birthday with a birthday fish, for some reason I do not know. Wizards are secretive.

I imagine Qui Gon at the very end too.

 

I loved the way Reva looked like she was still a child as Vader ran her through. Splendid acting performance from Ingram. There have been signs that she is immature all through the show but she looked genuinely pitiful in defeat. And in the compassionate sense too.

Ambivalence at the way Jedi are inducted and raised in the GFFA, during the Republic, has been EXPRESSED ever since it was revealed in TPM. In OWK we see the results when a "child soldier" is raised in the Empire, and trained only to enforce its cultural revolution. This is what happens when you put neophytes in positions of (relative) power. Particularly when the environment in this revolution is one of divide and rule.

 

THIS! ^^^^^

AND THIS! ^^^^^

 

How can you not love Vader-Unleashed and Ben Kenobi saving the day while schooling his former Padawan at the same time?

That said, this was by my favorite episode.... aside from 2 minor & one other detail, it was tasteful and easily digestible.

No loose ends, Third Sister simply dies, no need to see young Luke beyond the glimpses we were already given.

I wish the show ended with Vader staring up at the transport as they escaped Jabiim....

 

Seeing the Episode II versions of Obi Wan and Anakin was just amazing. Probably the only moment post-2012 where they've literally recreated the Lucas magic.

Any details on Hayden's voice? It's impressive if that was 100% him considering the years.. guy's definitely stayed very healthy.

 

I didn't love Vader Un-leashed in this episode. I hated him. I haven't hated him like this since "A New Hope" and "The Empire Strikes Back". A part of me wishes that Reva had succeeded. I also hope that she survives the series. And she will spend the next decade knowing Luke and Leia's true identities and Anakin won't.

 

That's my thinking too. I'd see it as a kind of 'reset' to where we left Obi-Wan at the end of ROST, bringing it full circle to where he's back on Tatooine heeding Yoda's words to commune with his former master.

Also, as Episode 6 in the Obi-Wan series, it would end the show in symmetry with Return Of The Jedi, ending with the appearance of Force ghosts.

 

There are pay sites like TurboSquid & All3dp dot com, or you can even do your own macro 3d scans, meshes and reverse engineer.... there plenty of ways to skin the 3d cat.

Me too!! - Watching the salt rivers swell, will be glorious.

I don't care what she knows or what she does, she served her purpose in this story and is no longer useful to me....
I have no expectations for the finale; my only request (that I posted earlier) is that Luke never see a lightsaber until Star Wars.
If Disney takes THAT moment away from him.
I'll just ignore Episode #6 & consider #5 the end of KENOBI
Then, ALL will be right in my Star Wars world like I just got Red Rider magic legs for Xmas.
I will not be shocked by anything that occurs, I am prepared for any outcome....



This is the way.

 

For like 10 minutes before the credits rolled, Big Bad #2 was back before even then.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 19, 2022, Original Post Date: Jun 19, 2022 ---

For the moment.

 

An educated guess that the cliff hanger after reconnecting with Qui Gon, could be something coming out of the fortress, where Jedi consciousness is entombed after it was killed by Anakin. I have reconsidered my thoughts on the story. It's pretty good, all things considered.



Kenobi succeeds in climbing back up the ladder of consciousness, whereas Palpatine failed and is at rock bottom at the end of the saga, at the bottom of the shaft symbolically. Ideas for understanding the Kenobi series, and its place in the Skywalker Saga:
https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....atine-is-really-dead.57779/page-8#post-615335

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....sney-series-discussion.77/page-29#post-615256

 

I'M BACK! I've been away for a bit since I hadn't watched Episode 4 or 5 yet, but I watched both tonight as a slightly early Father's Day celebration with my own dad.
My thoughts on this show are now very mixed. It's good, but I don't think it's great anymore.

Kenobi is a fun romp with some fun exploration of the galaxy at large, but it doesn't do much for the worldbuilding, characters (outside of Leia, whose every appearance makes me more and more mad that JJ decided to kill her off in TROS), or convention breaking:

Reva will still most likely die by the end of the show, sharing the fate with nearly every other woman of color on screen who works for the Dark Side while Maul lived through FAR worse. (Even Fennic Shand pretty much died in her first appearance.)
The CGI is still very bad at times, far worse than I think it stylistic.
The "bad mamma jamma and child" duo has been done for the third time.
Lucasfilm still prefers to use actors who have no right being in the role they're in because they're too young or old, because name recognition matters more than the characters sounding like how they should sound.*
Lack of overall tension due to us knowing who is going to escape.

The escape from the Inquisitor fortress was fun, but the poor CGI, lack of interesting action within the fortress, and the overall useless of it just made it a boring museum to characters of eras past rather than something meaningful to escape. It was weird, but I feel more connected to this place because of Jedi Fallen Order rather than because of anything the show did.

This episode's siege was also weird. I love me a good siege in a show, and I do think that the pairing of Kenobi and Anakin's duel in the past with their current situation was brilliant. But I just found everything to be a tad off, if that makes sense. Maybe it was because this wasn't really a battle, but a desperate attempt to escape...but it wanted to be a battle of wits. I don't know, I just think that it nearly hit stride, but it wasn't there quite yet.

Overall, my thoughts on Episode 4 and 5 are "it's good, I guess." There are moments of greatness, but nothing that shines so bright as to praise it above The Mandalorian. Still, despite my breaks, I'm preferring it over BOBF as a whole; maybe about on level if not a little lower than TBB.

OTHER NOTES:
Vader vs an Inquisitor that betrayed him - it was in my head for that third Kenobi movie I was planning. That time it was Siri Tachi, and she would be killed by Vader after giving Kenobi a chance to escape. I'm curious to see what else the show has included that was also in my head for a Kenobi trilogy.


*Mark Hamill voicing Young Luke in that one online short for Star Wars, Freddie Prinze Jr doing Young Kanan, and now Hayden Christiansen returning for Young Anakin. Hayden looked FAR too old to be playing Young Anakin, because it is too old to be playing him. But to the man's credit, he slipped back into the PT Anakin without missing a beat. So the mannerisms were there, but the face wasn't, and frankly, that's distracting to me. I do wish Lucasfilm would stop this habit.

 

Well, of course Reva was "immature" in this series. She was only in her late teens or early 20s. Look at how immature Anakin was in the Prequel Trilogy. Or Luke and sometimes Leia in the first two movies of the OT. Even Obi-Wan and Padme were immature in "The Phantom Menace". Padme's immaturity managed to continue on in "Attack of the Clones".

In the case of Val in "Rogue One", she was just a thief.

 

I haven't been on this forum for a long time(to the point I can't even get my old account working), it just didn't feel right anymore but i thought I would journey back after this episode to see how my thoughts matched up with others and I am a little shocked about how it is received here. Each to there own and I am happy people can find joy in this.

I personally laughed the whole way through and just how horribly made this was outside of the prequel duel flash back. The whole this was just a mess. I can't find a single positive outside of that training fight. The action sequences especially are horribly done, I just can't wrap my head around how they think this is quality work. I mean it is on purpose as they went back to the old prequel style for the one scene so either they used different fight choreographers or they just copied the prequel moves.

I could go on and on as I care about this world and this story but that is enough bagging the episode as many here enjoyed it. I am not interested in debating it's merits, just wanted to put my thoughts out there.

 

There are so many bad things about this show it’s hard to enjoy it! It’s only fun if your a young child watching it ! Where you don’t see the plot holes in the story and in the characters! Some of the character decisions are a total joke. The writing on this show has been laughable at times. There are some decent ideas in this show sometimes, but ruined by the execution of them. It’s been as bad a watching attack of the clones but with worse effects! Only the voice of James Earl Jones has brought any kind of class into the show. A total letdown

 

What was bad about the show?

And someone had suggested the idea of Reva becoming Leia's bodyguard or the person to watch over the latter. My question is why? Why give her that fate? So that she will eventually die, in case she doesn't die at the end of this series?

 

I feel the same way. I thought the last episode in particular was very good.

So I'm shocked at the level of vitriol I'm seeing from some of the posters here. To each his own I guess, but its hard for me to wrap my head around the complaints, particularly critics of the writing. Obviously some of the disappointment must be because some fans had some other scenario they had envisioned for the show but I can't fathom what it would have been. Seems to me that the Leia kidnapping story is the only plot that would have made sense given Obi-wan's charge to look after Luke.

And when it comes to ridiculing some of the action that's taken place, I read the criticisms and find myself thinking, 'you do know we're talking about STAR WARS here, right??!?'