SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 5 Discussion

I thought that too, but for a different reason. Sure, Roken couldn’t fit in there, but certainly one of the smaller adults could have, right? I mean, someone had to have worked on those electrical components before who wasn’t a little girl. Right?

But hey, it gave her something to do that was involved in the larger stakes and she had an immediate connection to what caused the problem. So, fair play

 

yeah it’s gonna be a fine balancing act, between paying of the plot points they have set up, meeting the expectations they have set for the Kenobi vs Vader and not too heavily impacting on cannon.

Hopefully they can pull it off, I’ve got a feeling they have been saving the budget throughout the series for the finale.

 

Having read some of the leaks, after I’ve watched the actual programme. It’s funny how they’ve played out. I mean, they were right, in a way. But the story behind the leak has now changed. And for that reason, I don’t believe we will see another Kenobi vs Vader showdown. Hope I’m wrong, just don’t think it will happen now. So much they possibly have to fit in to the last episode, I can’t see it all happening.

 

Ep 5. Vader is using his mind to fight. They're having mental flashbacks. Reva is dealing with her memories. Leia working with electricity/energy. Ob1k using his mind. We are up in the 5th chakra on the ladder of consciousness, doing energy work. In Asia, there is a way to say energy work. Qigong = Qui Gon!

Qui gon may come at the end, because as a force ghost he is in the 7th chakra, the transcendent, represented by Mace Windu's purple/amethyst lightsaber in the prequel trilogy.

The prequel trilogy was about the fall of consciousness. Then we have this series in the timeline. What do you need when consciousness fell? You need a ladder, to get back up. See the metaphor?

 

I agree with G Darklighter. It felt to me like their mental lightsaber duel in Ep 5 was their wrap-up until ANH.

 

A very good series so far, it did create 1 or two plot holes for ep4 a new hope though. Thankfully one of them has been fixed, which was obi wan getting the upper hand on vader in ep5, so when vader and obi wan meet again all these years later in a new hope the whole when we last met i was but the learner and you were the master sits correctly in continuity now.

Massive plot hole than needs fixing next episode though is how leia at the beginning of a new hope only knows of obi wan serving her father senator bail organa during the clone wars. She would surely even 10 years after this show remember the name obi wan which has been said in front of her, not just ben saving her life from abduction at 10 years old. If they dont fix this plot hole it will annoy me foerver now watching a new hope.

One last thing we need to see in the final episode is obi wan move into his tiny little white hut from a new hope, along with a force ghost qui gon appear and i will be happy.

 

Simple answer, imo? The first part of Leia’s message is a formal request to General Kenobi from her father to aid them. Thus playing into the general title, the Clone Wars.

Her famous last plea is more personal. No titles. “Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope,” because he helped her before.

 

I do not see that as a plot hole. Leia does remember both the name Obi-Wan and Ben in A New Hope. She is asking for help for her father, recalling how he served in the Clone Wars as general, and asking him to serve again. She is not saying poor little me needs help with my ship being under attack. Obi-Wan goes to Alderaan to see Organa with Luke, only to find it blown apart. She didn't ask him for help in this series either. Bail did. Then at the end of her message inside R2, she says "Help me..." This makes it personal, and why would you say that unless you knew someone?

"General Kenobi,
Years ago you served my father in the clone wars. Now, he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person. But, my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

When Luke enters Leia's cell to get her out, he says he's there with Ben Kenobi, and she recognizes the name. Luke: "I'm here with Ben Kenobi." Leia: "Ben Kenobi?! Where is he?!"

 

i understand what you mean, but surely it would make more sense if she said in the hologram to obi wan, 10 years ago you saved my life when i was a child now i need you help again. Help me obi wan kenobi, you're my only hope ?

 

I think it would seem weak for Leia to say that, before that sweet vulnerable "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi" at the end. She's headstrong, and a young adult trying to act grown up and strong in a tough spot in ANH. They both know each other, and what happened between them. She isn't reminding him of anything, except to say his warrior skills are needed by her father. If you listen to those last words, "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi...." you can get the feeling they already know each other. That's a selfless act she is doing in ANH, asking him to take a message to her father to help fight against the empire for the people, instead of coming to save her and her crew.

You also have her naming her son Ben in the sequel trilogy, which wouldn't make sense at all if they didn't know each other intimately before ANH.

Here's an interesting thing to think about. To Leia in ANH, her father is Bail Organa. Kenobi also knows who her birth father is, and this request refers back to the clone wars of the prequel trilogy, before Leia was born. If you watch the movies in the order they were made, it's important information to hear about her father as the guy on Alderaan, and Obi-Wan's relation to Bail. If she says, "and remember that time you came to rescue me?" it doesn't add anything we need to know until 2022.

For that speech, it would be like changing a line in the bible for people. There may be riots. Then there will be reformation Star Wars fans causing a rift in the fandom, and decades of war and bloodshed in the name of Luke. Years from now, people will be so confused by the labels of presbyterian star wars, catholic star wars, protestant star wars, non denominational star wars, mormon star wars, anglican star wars, baptist star wars, modernized catholic star wars, seventh-day star wars, lutheran star wars, methodist star wars, eastern orthodox star wars, evangelical star wars, that no one shows up to watch it.

 

I finally got a chance to see the episode and here are my thoughts.

A dark and twisty episode, quite complex in parts.

The flashback fight between Anakin & Kenobi was good and informed the story well, but it was surprising that little effort was apparently made to de-age the actors.

Leia’s side-story in this episode was a bit contrived, but it made sense in the overall narrative, so fair enough.

Also, Vader looks too short and weirdly dimensioned in this one, even more so than in previous episodes; I guess he’s trying out a few different suits to find one that matches him well .

Tala & NED’s death scene was nice, if a bit predictable (although NED kneeling over the wounded Tala to protect her with his body was a very nice touch, subtle and meaningful).


Not the most elegant storytelling, but I had a blast with the episode.

Taking a step back, one can see how richly this show will inform future viewings of ANH, and I’m loving it!


After one viewing, I give the episode a 8/10 score, although I suspect that this might be, due to the cluttered storytelling here, a slightly too generous ranking.

 

"You can't win, but there are alternatives to fighting."

 

Dude. T-shirt worthy!! I want one.

 

That message was also highlighted by the conclusion of the Obi-wan vs Anakin 'duel.'

Anakin was visibly proud of the way he was literally pounding Obi-wan into submission to the point of knocking Obi-wan's lightsaber out of his hands. Then he flashes a cocky smile at Obi-wan and says "There. It's over." Yet despite Anakin's skill with a lightsaber, his master got the better of him in the end and told Anakin he still had much to learn.

While I certainly wouldn't mind the two of them fighting again, I doubt it because that scene was, IMHO, the perfect lead-in to their next confrontation in ANH.

 

Obi-Wan bests him in the flashback through misdirection and using his weapon against him. Reva, in a sense, is one of Vader's weapons. "He was wise to use you against me." That's some cute writing

 

Along those same lines, Vader put all his power and attention into stalling and then ripping apart one spaceship which gave them time to escape in another.

 

Yes, that episode counts as Kenobi's second fight with Vader. It's obvious Vader can't be overpowered physically. Another toe-to-toe match might be odd after that. We'll see. I like that he is at his peak power and nasty. The only weakness in Vader's armor is sleeping in Tatooine, as it should be.

 

There's gonna be another fight. Obi-Wan will deliver Leia back to Bail, and then return to confront Anakin in the hope that there's still good in him, to match up with Luke & Vader's conversation in RotJ. I'll wager good credits on that.


(Also, the Reva-discovering-the-Bail-hologram plot will have to play out in some way - I chose to read the spoilers going into this series, so I know where we're heading with her And I'm 100% confident, as the spoilers have been accurate thus far, down to minute details).

 

Boy, I sure hope not. In the final episode, even though there’s been absolutely zero evidence for it, OB suddenly believes Anakin is redeemable - only to be proven wrong? Anything’s possible, but that sure seems pretty unlikely to me at this point. Though maybe I’m clouded by my own desire for that not happening.