SPECULATION Obsessed by Vader - motives

What is Luke realizes he can take control of the Empire posing as Vader

 

That is possible, whoever wears the helmet will put fear into whoever knew of Vader.

 

Or.... maybe Luke is simply going through a similar set of events (i.e. Don Quixoti is getting a little worn out knocking windmills)

Or... maybe Luke is simply gearing up for battle, and putting armour on, and that makes him look similar to other people who wore armour... in that light, nobody sensible is gonna put on armour making them look like the Easter Bunny.... if you are gonna wear armour, do it for effect...

Or... any of a number of reasons...

But yeah... I agree that the armour will instill fear...

 

Ok, taking from this... you are absolutely right, 99.9% of the galaxy can't connect Anakin to Vader. The link was so tenuous that Kenobi could realistically tell Luke that Vader killed Anakin. Certainly Bail Organa (and the few in the know) never revealed it, or when Luke first met Leia, she would (knowing the "common knowledge") said, "oh, you must be related to Vader"

Further, 99.9% of a galaxy being torn apart by war really could care less... and while Vader may have been part of a dictatorship, he was part of a dictatorship that worked, in that the the shelves at the galactic WalMart were stocked and people lived lives not consumed by tanks sitting at the end of the lane (anyone ever wake up to a tank at the end of the lane? I grew up in Belfast, lemme tell you what a mental image that is to a child)

Fallen hero or dictator, he was effective, and people knew not to cross him (at least not while he was in the room) so someone trying to exert some control over a galaxy in flux could use this image to great effect...

Let's say the Alliance isn't doing well... the second Death Star is destroyed, and the same petty bickering issues that caused the Empire to be possibly resurface. The burgeoning Alliance seeks to expand and solidify its control at the same time the Hutt cartel expands its influence, the Trade Federation sees the opportunity to resume operations, and the Separatists just decide that what they thought before (it's time to opt out) is the right path to follow...

Might a new Jedi order which is dedicated to bringing peace to the galaxy, not beholden to any faction, decide that its time for the Jedi to stop being puppets of the Senate, and be that ruling party? The "United Nations" of the galaxy? The "someone" who will make the others sit at the table and discuss...

 

I can picture Anakin's Spirit having council with Luke, Leia, and any grandchildren that he may have. To me Luke would not be the head of the new order but Anakin, Yoda, and Obi-Wan, and Luke would not go against what the three would say. Does 'Return of the Jedi' refer to Luke, the new order, or does it refer to Anakin, or maybe even the three spirits and Luke? The four of them, unless you want to add Leia as well, know how to start a new order without duplicating the same mistakes as in the past.

 

I've said many times before... the Jedi order was corrupt, and Luke would be wise not to repeat their mistakes

 

Great argument:

I think if we stop and ponder this possible storyline it will be pretty close to the end result.

You could almost have used a "spoiler alert."

This keeps all characters true to the development of the story and does not create a cash grab situation where we resurrect Vader just to suck people in.

I think if the individual inspired by the Sith (Darkside) was the daughter of Leia and Han this would enhance and remain true to the ongoing saga.

The struggle of Force v Darkside that the Skywalkers have constantly battled with would go on.

 

Shouldn't the fact that Anakin Skywalker appeared as a Force Ghost at the end of ROTJ put paid to any rumours?

 

Coping with it is a great way to describe it. We all have inner demons... And let's assume Luke made peace with his at the end of Episode VI. Maybe he's even managed to keep his demons at bay for the last 30 years. But a traumatic event, like say, the death of a wife and or child, the betrayal of someone near and dear... can unleash an emotional Pandora's Box in Luke. Should he turn, does anyone stand a chance?

Luke as the villain will sell tickets. Billions of dollars worth. No one will believe it. Everyone will have to see it for themselves. Not saying he needs to be the real villain... Maybe he is operating in a gray area of the force... Or maybe it's a clone of him and we don't find out until Episode VIII that evil Luke was a humanoid version. But if you're going for broke and want the ST to be top of mind, you take risks. Granted, the House of Mouse likes to play it safe considering their investment here, but my oh my, Luke as the villain. Minds blown. Tickets sold. Records shattered.

 

I'm interpreting the "rise from the ashes" thing as Vader will appear to have returned from death, with someone wearing his Helmet. But yes, the Vader we know is dead, but his legacy will evolve.

 

One would certainly think so... seeing a dead body is one thing, seeing their spirit disassociated from the body, however, would tend to put paid to that. Fans, however (and myself included in this, I suppose) tend to have a way of wrapping events and seeing them in the light that supports their theory

 

In regard to VADER's return, I'm still not sure how to feel about it. He is such an icon, it could go either way.
I think after a major character's story is complete, the sequel should always follow up with a new villain but there is a creative challenge
to develop something the audience will respond to. Even at the hands of most talented scribes & costume designers it may not happen on cue!

If the new real/imposter VADER's return is exceptionally well written then it could be a success. On the other hand an obvious explanation
s.a. a clone or materialization from the FORCE will kill the premise. It needs to be very carefully executed, well thought out.

 

If you watch ROTS, Windu's head COMES OFF.
So, no I don't think Sammy J's celly will be buzzing anytime soon.