Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

Or he betrays Snoke...it would be like the scene in ROTS when Palpatine is confronted by The Jedi Council where The KOR confronts Snoke.

 

wait...are you saying Kylo Ren is cold and calculating?
Vader was cold & calculating.
Kylo Ren is hot-blooded and sloppy reckless as all heck. hahaha

 

I see, I still prefer Snoke to do the betraying I liked the way it happened when Sidious did that same to Maul telling him he was replaced.

Yes I am, he killed Lorr without hesitation, just like Vader killed Kenobi, I agreed he was sloppy in his duel with Rey.

 

I thought you all were talking about Ezra being cold and calculating, because this is not cold and calculating Vader:



You wouldn't even think they were related!

 

Well this is a Kylo Ren thread so Ezra's actions have yet to be described that way, as for the clip this is Kylo's way of responding to failure he is supposed to prevent, he then force grips the officer into a force choke, that's cold.

 

Or hot-blooded, "from a certain point of view."

 

you have an interesting definition of "cold-blooded".

Kylo Ren kills LST in a fit of frustration because LST won't shut up.
this was neither wise nor well-considered on Ren's part. it was rash and angry.
when Vader killed Kenobi, they were dueling and Vader made a deliberate swipe to end it without any words or drama.
Ren is all-drama-all-the-time.

same thing with grabbing Mitaka.
when Vader was angry, he just calmly Force-choked them where they stood from a distance.
Ren destroys the console, then drags Mitaka into his actual hand.
that's aggressive, reactionary.

Kylo Ren has almost zero impulse control.
to be cold and calculating, you need to be a careful thinker and execute actions with deliberation.
Ren does neither of these things. pretty much not ever.

 

Just imagine...Kylo accidentally shows up late to practice his training with Supreme Leader Snoke only to find that BDT has taken his place...only kidding

 

Sometimes the reckless ones are the most difficult to control and predict, making it more likely for him to kill Snoke. I think his weakness may also end up being his strength..

 

i agree ~ like his father, he's kind of "shoot first, ask questions later" and that might be an asset in the long run.
Snoke might think he's got the mutt under his thumb, but Ren Ben could yet surprise him, if provoked.

 

Yeah Han was more the kind of guy who uses dirty fighting tactics. But Kylo strikes me more as the kind of guy who'd solely rely on his force powers. So I don’t see him taking Snoke down without an open declaration of war... Although I really don’t think this is the safest way to beat Snoke but I guess this is how it would play out.

 

i agree ~ i don't see Kylo Ren playing dirty. if he's going to go against Snoke, he'll absolutely declare it because he's honorable (and stupid) that way.

a lot of people think he's going to connive against Snoke, but that just doesn't seem like his MO. that would be Hux's MO ~ hahaha!
in some ways turning on Snoke is going to be at least as hard for Ren as turning on Han was ~
he's not just going to do it from the shadows, it's going to be a messy implosion.

 

Don't know if somebody already posted something alike... It's not difficult to imagine a story that could ultimatly bring up Kylo against his "wise" manipulator: If Snoke could manage to turn Rey and Kylo would have to witness that his father was right about Snoke just using Rens powers as long as he needs him for his purposes and then tries to get rid of him with the help of Rey.. in such a case it could be possible that he joins Luke and perhaps Finn and Poe.. Finn and Poe could knock out Hux ( and Phasma).. and Luke and Kylo dig a beautiful tomb for the old mummy..
and save Rey and our day. Of course they will.

 

Yep, Snoke is the one to really blame here.

I rest my case, your Honor.

And that is why I reckon Leia as the most tragic character of Star Wars. Her son thinks first of her father - the one I strongly suspects she does not accept at all.

I guess that comes from his father's side. His mother was known as "The Ice Princess" lol.

Agree. Though maybe he's acting like the Anakin we knew from AOTC/TCW lol.

Aww Kylo shoots first too lol.

 

given what we know of Ben's victim mentality regarding his parents, to have to face a betrayal from Snoke could actually pitch him headlong into unrecoverable Darkness. just from a psychological point of view, this is kinda why i want Luke (the old mentor) to deal with Snoke (the new one) on Ben's behalf.

Ben's whole beef with the world is that no one stood up for him as a child.
he needs someone to do that for him now--and help him stand up for himself to take responsibility for his own problems.

 

Jeez... To be fair (oh noo- I just sound like C3PO) , Hux's initial situation is far more disadvantageous - If he decided to go against Snoke, he wouldn't have a real chance.

 

Hux would definitely need a lot of support to stage a coup. he would need Ren (that's not going to happen ~ hahaha).

the more i think about it, this is why i think they hate each other.
Ren is an idealist. Hux is pragmatic.
Hux just wants the power and glory and stupid Ren isn't interested in that, therefore utterly useless in Hux's book.
and on the other side, Ren thinks Hux is a petty-minded bureaucrat with no vision or grander sense of the galaxy beyond what he can possess.

 

I know and still... I would be so thrilled and probably drop my popcorn and soda

 

it's not out of the realm of possibility. maybe BDT is an FO affiliate who is just as ambitious (and maybe even FS) and they can team up.

i'm all for Hux taking over and having all sides rise up against the toilet monster.
the Resistance and the FO can work together despite their mutual loathing.
hilariously, that'd make Ren the go-between.
that'd be awesome.

 

Yeah..perhaps I should underline my first thoughts before posting that lines above a bit.. My first guess was that not Snokes betrayal as central element for the events: Perhaps Ren could do the right thing to SAVE REY making the same wrong steps as he did. But I am with you that the more prominant Luke's part is in an hopefully positve end game scenario the better are the chances for Bens way back.