Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

What do you think is Ren trying to finish that Vader started, since we know Anakin fulfilled the prophecy?

 

That's what I'm wondering. There's gaps that are making things more questionable then helping them make sense regarding Luke's intentions. Hopefully VIII will explain it and it'll actually make sense.

 

Was not my intention to out words in your mouth but changing the story as you have described does take away from the victory of the saga and from Anakin.

But again you are suggesting the balance is between the light and the dark which really isn't what the balance has ever been about. Using the Dark Side consumes what it touches, it destroys kills for selfish motives without thought if the larger picture. It is the consumption of resources without concern for the balance of life, it is the greed that destroys economies the selfish imbalance that breaks relationships. The balance is between the living and cosmic force. The dark side runs on the passion if using the Living Force to their own will. They have no concern for others ir the larger harm their actions cause. Hence it is easier. Which is why the Light Side requires inspection of its motives, mindfulness if its true feelings. The Jedi seek the balance. There is no "between" to balance.

Bending the chaos and lawlessness of the galaxy to his will. Palpatine in his seduction of Anakin offered a life of significance and conscience. Ben grew up in the populist centrist divide of the New Republic that argued over central power and personal freedom. It led to inaction, was susceptible to corruption and lead to the failure politically of his mother. Vader offered to rule with Padme, to rule with Luke. It is a hope to bend the galaxy to his will to be what he hopes it should be.

 

Now Ren has asked the same of Rey.

Alright so I'm still on the right line of thought then. Those EW articles really left my brain muddled with some of the wording.

 

But it may change. That's my speculation. This trilogy is introducing a balance between the too extremes. Light and Dark being resolved by grey in the TFA novel and the 'Light...Darkness...A Balance' from TLJ allude to this.

Then Mark made the 'Ben Chosen One' comment which made me think if they'd say that Ben is a new chosen one in this trilogy which is all about finding a Force balance. Its just my personal speculation. I could be wrong, but its an idea I thought worth mentioning.

I'm not arguing with you by the way (well, maybe a little ) - just good old, friendly, passionate nerd debating over here on my end.

 

Its all good. Part of the attraction of SW is how deep the world building is. That means multiple and even competing views are there.

"resolving the grey by refined Jedi sight."

That's the reference I remember. The grey is the problem. Things are muddled. Something dark is happening a new evil threatens the New Republic isn't fighting it. The best it could do was send a few dollars to a paramilitary "Resistance." A jedi betrayed his teacher killed other students and fled to a neo Imperial fascist faction bent on destroying the Resistance and the Republic. But the Jedi who is left is off in isolation. Things are murky. The ideal democracy we hoped to see ruling after Palps has slid to inaction. The Resistance ("good guys") are fighting the fight but are not receiving full throated support. That sounds grey. It needs be resolved through REFINDED JEDI SGHT.

The dark. The light. The balance. ITS SO MUCH BIGGER.

 

"First comes the day, then comes the night. After the Darkness, shines through the Light. The difference, they say, is only made right; By the resolving of Gray through refined Jedi sight."

That also connects with the poster.

 

Yep that's the one!

Just for fun, I heard someone interpret it this way:

• Prequel trilogy is about the Dark triumphing.
• Original trilogy is about the Light triumphing.

You can then think of it this way:

• "After the darkness" (PT)
  
• "Shines through the light" (OT)
• "The resolving of gray through refined Jedi sight." (ST)

 

No matter which way we look at it, this trilogy is likely intended to end the SW we knew and begin a new saga. Maybe that's why the title and color red make it feel like the final chapter. It's not the end of the trilogy, but it is the end of the old Jedi saga.

 

this channel has put up reviews of ALL the figs out of the packs. here's Ren:

 

Haha I knew Rian "mentioned" the "Chosen One" long ago!

 

In every picture he looks more like Ben Solo than Kylo Ren:


Maybe it's just Adam Driver's way to look like a villain. Haha!

 

Interesting we have this and now Mark's comment.

Hmm. His cape comes off in the video. Wonder if he removes this at some point in the film?

 

We've already seen him several times without the cape. So he will remove it at some point.

 

Cheers! I must have missed those images.

 

Here are two pictures of Kylo Ren without a cape:


He will probably wear his cape just for missions.

 

Oh of course! I've been staring at those images this past week and never even saw it!

God, he looks upset! Speculation: maybe he removes his helmet and Vader cape (i.e the desire to be like Vader) as he begins to feel more regretful and understands the gravity of what he's done.

 

so what'd you do Saturday night?
oh, flipped back through Rian Johnson's instagram to November of 2016 looking for references to the Chosen One.
hahaha ~ you win for sheer dedication! : D

i dunno ~ he can look mighty angry/villainous when he wants to.
i think it's just not right for where the character is in the scenes we've seen so far.

no actual spoiler, just under the cut for un-editable f-bomb:

Spoiler

the worst we ever see of him in TFA is when he's fighting Finn, probably.

 

How much do you think the r-design of Kylo Ren's outfit has to do with Adam Driver not being able to move/fight in TFA outfit easily?

I mean they made the cloak removable, got rid of the long heavy skirt and removed his helmet for a bunch of scenes. I just wonder how much of this is to do with making him look more human/ROTJ luke-ish and how much is just for practicallity for Adam to act and move around it. because personally I much prefer the look of the TFA kinda monk looking outfit to his more vader/luke-ish one, but the first one would have been hell to act in.