Official Finn Episode VIII thread

Love the idea, doubt very seriously it will happen. Not because I don't want it to happen, but I think the Vanity Fair article that suggests that there will be no Force Revelation (either way) for Finn should be taken at face value. I can think of reasons why there would still be a reveal, and how it would be one of the greatest mis-directions ever but I think the pragmatic thing to do, the reasonable thing to do is to do is to see the VF article as a way of easing the audience into the direction he will follow in this movie which will not be force related. I'd prefer that it did, but all indicators seem to point in the other direction.

 

why woudl Finn suddenly be able to use the force?

 

What would there be to prevent him from doing so?

 

Reasons...

 

a lack of force sensitivity

 

An Episode IX retcon would be a Return of the Jedi ripoff of Leia.

Suddenly Finn's accomplishments and decisions aren't just his own anymore and it would remove the biggest human element (Finn) from the movies.

 

So... if the writers put in the script that Finn raises his hand to block a blow from Phasma's weapon and she goes flying across the room. And you, presumably in the theater, say, "that can't happen, he lacks force sensitivity?"

I'm trying to walk this through because maybe I'm missing something. If Finn does something in the movie that demonstrates Force Sensitivity (even if it it feels like all of a sudden to you) what is there to debate afterwards?

 

It make about as much as if Poe did it, or if Han had done it in TFA.

 

???

Poe and Finn are new characters, what exactly precludes them from being revealed as FS in future Episodes?

 

Why would Luke Skywalker suddenly be able to use the Force?
Why would Leia Organa suddenly be able to use the Force?
etc.

 

When does Luke suddenly use the force? We never see Leia use it.

Luke uses it for the first time under Obi-wans instructions on the falcon. And we didn't have an entire movie with Luke before that were there was zero indiction that he could.

As I said - I guess the writers can do whatever they want, but if it was Poe in that started using it out of nowhere, or Chewie would you think that's good storytelling?

 

Why would Rey suddenly be able to use the Force?

I mean for that matter why would anyone who hadn't already been identified as a Force User suddenly start using the Force? Maybe I'm just not understanding, I see no reason at any point they can't reveal any character as Force Sensitive; especially the new characters.

 

Do you think its likely that Poe will suddenly start using the force in TLJ? Or Chewie?

 

Chewie? Probably not. He's been a periphery character as Han Solo's side kick. Poe? I see no reason why they couldn't. His flight skills are the best we have ever seen in an Episodic movie. And we are led to believe that Anakin was a great pilot in part due to the fact that he was FS. What is preventing them from revealing Poe as FS? Nothing I can see.

Ultimately they may choose not to, but I see no impediments as to why they couldn't. He wouldn't have to train as a Jedi just because he was FS

 

You literally answered your own question.

(And Leia has used the Force in two films.)

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That was my point.

 

Why not? If Finn can just use the force out of nowhere, why can't Chewie? Show me a single line of dialog that indicates Chewie can't use the force. He did use a lightsaber (two) in the comics.

Thats my issue wit the Finn/force thing. Sure ANYTHING the writers decide can happen. But using this line of thinking......ANYTHING can happen - Phasma COULD be shown to be force sensitive and by the end of Episode IX bet he most powerful force user in the galaxy. It COULD happen, but is it worthy of serious/actual discussion when it comes to the ST? Finn using the force is in the same catagory - given what we've seen in TFA and the limited stuff they've shown us of TLJ, he can't use the force (didn't the director basically say he won't?) so why would we/anyone serious consider that possibility?

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No she hasn't.

And thats not sudden - Luke is told he can use the force before he uses it, and we see his instruction. Finn suddenly discovering it would be like Han using it against Vader in ESB.

 

What he is trying to say is that we have seen lot of chewie, and never have had any inkling of FS.

Poe and Finn are brand new, we don't know what they're about, so it would be more plausible for them to be FS than Chewie. But yes, with that logic, who knows, maybe Phasma will be too.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. I hope that doesn't exclude me from the conversation?

 

The same can be said of Finn. We've seen quite a bit on screen, we've seen more in books, and by the time this proposed scene would happen, we'll have seen almost another entire movies worth.

And if you're "counter" to a suggestion "we don't know yet cause the movie isn't out" don't be surprised if your suggestion is dismissed just as easily.

 

Just because he hasn't demonstrated the force doesn't mean he won't, but it's okay if he isn't force sensitive.

 

You just like to argue, don't you?