Official Finn Episode VIII thread

says the person who who posted "I hope this doesn't exclude me". If you don't want a topic brought up, don't bring it up.

 

Yes, she has. Maybe you should actually watch the movies.

 

Yes - but my question/issue is WHY would/should we expect it with Finn any more then with Poe or Rose or Chewie or Phasma?

Is it just because we saw Finn witha lightsaber in some of the TFA marketing and people can't let that idea go?

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I have - she doesn't use the force. If I'm wrong, point it out.

 

Actually, it's possibly three movies. Whether or not she actively "wields" the Force is certainly up for debate, but her force sensitivity is unmistakable.

ESB- Leia hears Luke's call (demonstrating Force sensitivity, but possibly more initiated by Luke)

ROTJ- Leia senses Luke escaped DSII

TFA- Leia senses Han's death

 

ESB - So Luke is using the force. He doesn't Leia can use the force at that point therefore we can assume a Jedi can call to a non-force user.
ROTJ - She is connected to the force (strong family) and identifies it. She isn't "uses it" she feels it happening.
TFA - See above.

 

Certainly your interpretation, at least. And you can see above that I already said that these demonstrate her force sensitivity, because I know how you like to parse words.

Edit: Keep those negative ratings coming, CR (trolling for a response to you? ). I don't mind, and the people here are just hitting you back harder.

 

Where in any canon have you come across this differentiation between "using" and "identifying" as you say? And either way, she would have to be force sensitive for either of those explanations.

 

Never said she wasn't force sensitive - thats obvious.

But using the force - USING indicates actively doing something. ESB was all Luke, he has no idea she could use the force at the point yet he was calling out to her, logically ANY non-force user can recieve a messsage/feeling from a Jedi like that.

The other two show her being plugged into the force, but again not using it. Obi-wan and Yoda both feel deaths through the force, but they aren't concentrating on it, they aren't doing anything to make that happen. Its not a technique. At most you can say in RotJ Leia opened herself to hear/feeling the force.

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Vader feels Obi-wan on the death star - unless you think Vader routinely scans where he is for Obi-wan, feeling/sensing someone is something that just "hits" the person who can use/feel the force.

 

Yes, two people that actively use the force can sense each other. What does that have to do with your argument about Leia?

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I got your back brother

 

Vader felt Obi-wan was on the death star. Unless you believe "feeling" someone like that through the force is an active technique that someone has to preform (and thus - Vader routinely scans for Obi-wan just in case he shows up, which I think you need evidence of) then we can drawt he conclusion that its like hearing to a Jedi/force sensitive person. You're just standing there and the force feels differently to you "oh, this person is near by" or "that person is dead". Like hearing a sound.

Therefore, Leia showing this 'ability" in RotJ and TFA isn't her using the force, its her feeling the force. She isn't doing anything, she is just strong enough to be aware of those.......ripples/effects of the force. Her hearing is good enough (if you will).

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Thats funny coming from the one who started pilling them on.

 

Pretty sure "force sensitivity" is an old EU concept or created by fans who think it inly runs in families. Lucas flat said to Kasdan anyone can use the force but it needs to be cultivated to be used well. Comparing it to yoga. Even with the onset of miticloreans that is simply a measure of simbiotic organisms that make communing with the force easier. In TCW Mother Talzin drains people of "the living force" using force energy to super charge her own powers. Her big targets were a religious sect that used the force to have visions. But when Jar Jar caused problems they tried to drain him of his minimal amount.

So it is completely possible for anyone to use the force. Spontaneously might be a stretch.

 

Which is partially why they were a terrible idea.

 

Hence Fioni jumped through hoops to have it rebranded as "living force" by Mother Talzin.

But when you are talking the prequels some dumb ideas aren't wrong.

 

I am still trying to wrap my hands around this. Because Finn hasn't been confirmed as Force Sensitive in TFA, it would be sudden for him to exhibit Force Sensitivity in the coming movies (with TLJ beginning directly on the heels of TFA)... and this is likened to Chewie, who was born 200 years before the battle of Yavin, and appeared in RoTS, the Clone Wars series, A New Hope, ESB, RoTJ, and TFA giving him screen time spanning 56 years?

Am I reading this right?

Finn using the Force or showing Force sensitivity in the next 2 movies would be as sudden to you as Chewie showing the Force Sensitivity after screen time covering roughly 56 years?

 

The point your missing is this: If Finn, Poe, Tran, or any other character is force sensitive and is able to use the force, then it will in the minds of God knows how many people and writers, take away from Rey. It will mean that she's not quite SO "special" and that anyone can master the Force just as well as her. That idea does not sit well with people so, Finn can't be Force sensitive! Poe can't be Force sensitive! The argument then goes back and forth with people claiming that it "would not make sense for Finn to suddenly be able to use the Force!" Like Rey didn't just suddenly use the Force in TFA.

 

So they think Rey will be the only Jedi...

...ever?

I'm not tracking at all. I guess I'll just agree to disagree that Finn couldn't be confirmed FS in this trilogy and that it wouldn't be sudden or bad writing

 

Ah the old 'human element' argument again. It's almost as if some people want to keep him down. I guess Rey and Kylo aren't human enough because they have the Force? That's why they are the most popular characters, right?

 

Its not that they "think" she'll be the only Jedi ever, its just she's the only Jedi they "want" for this trilogy. Finn becoming a Jedi would "dramatically" take away from Rey, and the writers and fans know this!

 

Do you agree with that idea or are you just sharing arguments you've seen or heard?

I have to ask all the people who think this, that if that is the case does the existence of Poe and Rose or even Paige take away from Finn as a Resistance fighter? I mean if people think force-sensitive Finn takes away from Rey then they surely must think Finn sharing his side of the story with Poe, Rose, Paige, Leia, Holdo and DJ take away from Finn right? If they say that it doesn't or that's not the same thing then I know where they stand as far as their opinions of Finn.

 

I don't think that Finn being FS takes away from Rey at all, however there are those who do. Before TFA came out, a number of people believed that Rey/Finn were co-leads in the film, however after it came out it was obvious there was only "one" lead in new trilogy. With Rey being the "star" of the film, she's the one the audience is "supposed" to be "invested" in. The problem is that; everybody is not. Those who are, don't want Finn to be FS because Force Sensitive characters are the focus of Star Wars. Luke, Anakin, and now Rey. If somebody else become FS, then it takes away from lead, because the Force is what makes the character "special". If you have more than one special character, then the lead is going to lose some of their "special-ness". As far as Poe or Rose taking away from Finn, it's not the same. Finn is not in a position to distract from Rey's story, he's on his own arc. Therefore, he can shine because he's not in competition with the lead or anyone else for that matter. He can't fly, so he can't compete with Poe. He's not a mechanic, so he can't compete with Rose. So, unless he runs around for "comic relief", Finn should do ok in TLJ. Those who want Finn to be FS (myself included) are most likely not going to be happy with him. Fan are diverse and they want different things. Fans who wanted Rey to be FS won. Those who wanted Finn to be FS lost. It doesn't have to be that way, but it is.