Official Finn Episode VIII thread

Great interview by these guys.

 

Just dropping in to sprinkle some petrol on the ever glowing embers of the Finn FS debate.

Not something to swear by but at least it further demonstrates that TPTB are aware of the Finn FS debate (perhaps even intentionally sparked it) and have no intention of dispelling it. They are enjoying our misery.

 

What does the title The Last Jedi mean for Finn? Is his story going to be effected by this, or is he just going to be completely relegated to Resistance matters? I hope he does have a role in the force plot and has an important relationship to Luke. Otherwise the coma is just going to look like a lame and unnecessary contrivance to separate him from the force plot. Also, the lightsaber use and the antagonism with Kylo, but especially the lightsaber use is going to feel like a huge punch in the gut for those of us who want a force-sensitive Finn, if it all comes to nothing. I really hope they didn't do all that just so he can run around with a blaster the rest of the trilogy.

It's funny because there are some people who completely ignore this, but act like the sound editor confirming that the screams in the Hosnian scene are from Maz's castle is some sort of nail in the force-sensitive Finn coffin.

 

I'm afraid it's unlikely. From all we've heard it looks like the force related story line all occurs on Ach To and we've had no mention of Finn anywhere near that area. We've had very little mention of Finn full stop.

But you're right, it is a very bitter pill to swallow that a large part of Finn's story in VII was wasted on developments that were only ever intended as misdirection rather than sowing the seeds for future story arcs for Finn. There's something to be said in that Finn might as well be dead at the end of VII seeing as he's not really left with a direction by the writers.

Yeah, I mean I wouldn't treat this as 100% confirmation of a FS Finn but the fact that Pablo isn't contemptuously dismissing the idea as many of the fandom do should at least demonstrate that it isn't a ridiculous concept. It isn't to those behind the films so it shouldn't be to us.

 

Its sad, they should just kill off Finn, I'm tired of reading how lame this character is or how wasted and misdirected his character was. Disney just kill him off...

 

Hey, it's not all bad. Worst case scenario, Finn doesn't really do anything too radical and goes on whimsical side quests with KMT and then there probably won't be much discussion in the Finn character thread, negative or positive.

 

I'd like to see a role reversal: Oscar Isaac plays FINN and John Boyega plays POE.

An intrepid Stormtrooper! He was wise to leave the FO!!!

How is this guy a pilot? His callsign is Black Leader that's lame. He's like the Black Power Ranger. He got captured swiftly by the FO.

Kylo easily removed information from Poe's weak mind.

Finn is definitely force-sensitive! His combat skills are amazing!

Why would General Organa send this idiot to find the map to Luke Skywalker.

Kylo Ren and Finn's battle was amazing! I can't wait to see them face off again!

Poe's pilot skill are unrealistic; how was he able to destroy Starkiller's weapon so easily.

Rey definitely has feelings for Finn. She sat by his side, and lovingly kissed him on the forehead.

I wish Poe had less scenes. His character seems forced. He should have been killed off early on. Boyega pleaded with JJ to keep him in TFA; because, he always gets killed off early in his other films. JJ felt pity for Boyega and added more scenes for Poe.

Finn will be a Jedi, his skills with a lightsaber are amazing!

Marvel comics publishes a Finn ongoing series, about our favorite force-sensitive, Rebel hero and former FO Stormtrooper.

Unfortunately Oscar Isaac is POE, and John Boyega is FINN, so were constantly reminded of Finn's shortcomings.

 

Shame that they were cut.

 

If this actually happened, they better make up for it in a big way.

 

Yeah indeed but now that Rey's got it hopefully he'll have a encounter a stormtrooper with a saber like weapon to give us those scenes.

 

@Finn of Ren Thanks for sharing! @Grand Master Galen Marek and @Trooper212 - why so negative? Have you watched the last four minutes of the video? The scenes most likely got cut, because otherwise there would be no room for character development or character growth in the upcoming episode.

 

That second point: "he was toned down so that all the attention wouldn't be taken away from Rey".

 

Well, that was pretty well taken out of context. What he was saying was, that Rey has been training with her staff for most of her life, because of that she is supposed to be a better lightsaber fighter than most. And a way to visualize that *without Rey being a Mary Sue* was by toning down Finn's abilities with the lightsaber.

 

I watched the whole video and I understand his point and agree with him. This isn't about being negative, it's about more positive depictions in the next two episodes. I fully expect Finn to improve his combat prowess and I like the idea of him growing throughout the trilogy. What I don't want is to go from him having a connection to the lightsaber and having it be important that he use it to boring blaster-toting rebel-soldier for the rest of the trilogy. I personally would find that boring and not at all equal to what we would have originally gotten for Finn. So in short, I hope they at least build back up to what we would have originally gotten and not totally scrapped it for the boring could-be Finn that I described earlier.

 

Yeah I have after a second run, he gets that character growth chance now.

 

I think a concept being strongly presented in this new trilogy is that the Force is available to everyone. JJ seemed to like this idea more than most and it will probably be more evident than it was in previous trilogies. They could justify it in universe now with this force awakening concept.

I imagine that Rey will learn the ways of the force and perhaps pass on what she has learned to Finn. It strikes me that Finn's arc is about running from his fears but then realising there is something more important than himself and thus fighting for that. Confronting his fears. That's very selfless and in fact a great step to becoming a Jedi.

 

I can't recall where I heard it, Rebels or Rogue One were not everyone has the ability to tap into the force but the force is in everyone.

 

No, those were two separate points. One was, as you say, that if Finn was shown to be mowing down stormtroopers and Rey was shown struggling with Kylo to a draw then it wouldn't make her look too good as a melee fighter which is meant to be emphasised. The other was that if Finn was this good then there would be two Mary Sues running about and the fan backlash would have been worse, quite rightly.

However, If anything having a 2nd Mary Sue (Finn) wouldn't have made Rey being a Mary Sue more jarring or obvious but less obvious: Having Finn be less competent next to Rey emphasised her abilities. And clearly they didn't just tone down Finn but toned up (is that a phrase?) Rey, otherwise why would they change the outcome of Rey vs Kylo from a draw to a victory for Rey?

Personally, I don't really think it was TPTB who made the most changes to Finn's character. Boyega himself said that he was allowed to improvise and that he was very orientated towards comedy, always trying to play up the comedic value. And this may have been the original intention with the character when he was a smuggler and not a stormtrooper. After all the description of Finn (or Sam) was simply "pure charisma" which is basically a fancy way of saying "likeable" or "charming" which we can certainly say of Boyega's Finn.

Interestingly, (without straying too far into the Mary Sue debate) Rey's character was clearly intended to be very very capable as the video describes "an expert pilot, mechanic with fighting skills" which again is what we saw in TFA although with the addition of linguistic knowledge and rapid force development.

I think they've just changed the nomenclature, where everyone is force sensitive but not everyone is a force user.