SPOILER Official Obi-Wan Disney+ Series - Discussion

I have to rewatch ANH but doesn't he ask if Obi Wan could possibly be Ben or was Luke asking that?

 

You must watch ANH again when you have time to. As a huge fan of ANH, I loved the interaction with Ben and the Jawa, in the cave. Now all I crave to see is Ben coming across a Krayt dragon, and how he learned to howl like one.

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I’m one of those fans that wanted Obi-Wan to remain on Tatooine, but I must say switching from Tatooine to Alderaan is a nice touch and Obi-Wan on the Nar-Shaddaa inspired city is great as well.

 

I'm not mad that Obi-Wan went off-world, because it was bound to happen at some point in order to create a wider and more interesting story. I just wish that we had stayed a little bit more on Tatooine. Obi-Wan in ANH was feared by the tuskens and I would have liked to see the reason for that. Also, while it makes sense that Obi-Wan would find a very low-skilled labour job to stay hidden and keep a low profile, I'd expect him to be a regular at the Cantina at this point. I want to see Obi-Wan get blasted, maybe even get his hands on a few death sticks.

 

Spoiler

After they hung that Jedi like a pirate,

I don’t think Obi will go bar hopping but I’d like to see him get blasted too, haha! I was wrong about him staying on Tatooine so let’s see what happens.

 

Yeah, I mean is it even possible for Jedi to get drunk? If you're strong enough in the Force, perhaps you can influence the midi-chlorians to erase intoxication. That's why Jedi never get hangovers.

 

Why would one erase the entire purpose of the activity?

 

Yeah they just did it. Because of Obi Part 3, they've now forever ruined the Episode IV line:

Vader: "I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again at last. When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master."

Unforgivable. I'm done with this series. A poorly made big budget fan film at best.

 

Yikes! Talk about premature exclamations!!!

Last I checked, we're only HALFWAY through this series. Apparently there's no way that Obi-wan can return to school his old apprentice by the conclusion of this series, right? What a bummer.

 

What if Obi Wan force throws Vader into a pile of sand?

 

I've enjoyed the first three episodes so far. Yes, I'm aware of the issue regarding the Grand Inquisitor. I have seen "Rebels". A part of me wonders if they will allow the character to survive the end of this series. Another part of me . . . well, I don't really care. I never liked the Grand Inquisitor. And I can't even remember what happened to him in "Rebels".

 

This quote is from the Episode 4 discussion thread but my point is more generic to the show as a whole.

What does Rebels and Obi-wan Kenobi have in common? Answer: They're both TV shows.

There's nothing at all wrong with complaints about a TV show. Discussing the perceived 'good' and the 'bad' we see is what this board is all about. But when I read many of the individual episode complaints here, like I have today with Obi-wan Episode 4, it strikes me that the show is being unfairly compared with the gold standard: the SW feature films. Those films -- whatever you thought of them -- all had budgets that literally dwarf what a TV episode has to work with. It's like comparing one of the Empire's little TIE fighters to the Deathstar.

IMHO, the TV shows have become 'fair game' because the production values on Season 1 and 2 of The Mandalorian were so doggone amazing, you could excuse yourself if you felt like you were watching a Star Wars feature film at times. As a result -- be it Obi-wan or Boba Fett -- fans come into a new SW show with expectations that, to put it mildly, are far beyond what you'd normally expect from any individual episode of any popular TV series.

I'm not saying folks here can't have legitimate beefs -- we all can and do. But I do think some of us sometimes lose sight of the bigger picture when we complain about stuff, like bashing the writer of a TV episode by saying a movie screenplay writing legend like Lawrence Kasdan would've done it much better. Well, yeah, that's likely true,. But the reality is the writer of the TV episode is paid a small fraction of what Kasdan got paid for TFA and had to produce a working script in a fraction of the time.

 

You have not seen Master Obi-Wan school Vader (Anakin) again…yet.

Vader may need replacement legs and arms before this series ends.

 

This is a really good post and it's something I am guilty off. I compare the production values of the TV shows with the films it really hard to match. Especially when you're talking about stories from a different galaxy that has space wizards.

You think the entirety of Kenobi has about half the budget of the latest star wars films and is going to be at least twice the length. But it not just budget concerns, it's time, the shooting schedule is much tighter on a TV series which affects the acting, lighting, choreography, set design, score... are all not going to get the attention to detail that they would on a film. Just in terms of performance the time you get to do really nail a scene, or choreography of a fight or battle the time you will get to really map them out like you would in a film. Even the scripts writing 6 scripts each needing to stand on their own but develop the whole plot and not feel time there is filler or dud episodes again is really hard, very very few series pull it off.

For me it's one of the things I'm most disappointed with at the moment is creating TV content for streaming services is obviously the priority, I would also assume its seen as the less risky option after the box office of Solo, which has left Star Wars films take a back seat, who knows when we will see the next one. For me watching the Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi so far I think both would have worked better as films.

Fett was fine but probably would have been great as a Disney Plus original movie about 1 hour 20 mins as it just didn't really have the script or budget for 7 episodes.

Kenobi I am enjoying but again for me so far would have worked better as a film (preferably big screen), I don't think they really have the story for 6 episodes, we have already had 2 we must go rescue Leia episodes and then escape the inquisitors, the escapes at the end of episode 3 and 4 also felt a bit fudged. I just feel the whole thing so far would have flowed better as film. Kenobi has lost his way on Tatooine but then is called back into action to save Leia, learns Anakin is still alive has a brief showdown and flees, and has to find his Mojo before the (As Kennedy called it) "Rematch of the Century". Its a really simple story and would perfectly as a 3 act film, but structuring it over 6 episodes so far has seemed like a bit of a struggle (at least so far).

Mandalorian on the other hand works great as TV show as it's designed as an episodic show. It is almost a classic sci-fi show with a weekly adventure but an overarching plot.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it isn't fair for us to compare TV to Film, but equally Star Wars started on the big screen and now DIsney is trying fit every story into a TV series format, which has lots of limitations and its only natural that fans are going to pick up on them.

 

I was speaking to the beats of the episode as compared to a standard Rebels episode; not the production value (compared to Rebels or a feature film). And I think I enjoyed OB1 ep. 4 more than most -- maybe because I was such a fan of Rebels.

That said, I do think the writing is a little weak in this series. And the overall plot -- while coming dangerously close to bringing future events into question -- has been a bit underwhelming. Just IMHO, of course.

 

I thought it couldn't get much worse after Rise of Palpatine and Book of Boba, but I was so wrong. I'm not even angry at this point, it's actually funny how bad this show is.

This coming from someone who really liked Rogue One, Rebels, Mando, Fallen Order.

 

In hindsight, I apologize for quoting your post. My bad. I realize now that it seemed like I was responding directly to you when that wasn't really the case. My post was a response to a wide range of criticisms I was reading. I thought your Rebels quote was a great lead-in to the point I wanted to make.

That said, talking about 'weak' scripts and and underwhelming' plot begs the question, compared to what? The animated series, Rebels?

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I would expect a mod here to do better than a troll post.

 

Oh you're right about weak scripts with Rebels (although I liked the plot), but that being an animated show on a Disney kids' channel I accepted it for whom the targeted audience was.

 

No trolling, just honesty.