SPECULATION OFFICIAL Rey Discussion Thread

You'll see ...

He won't redeem himself like that, he has far too much to pay.

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Some think their maternal grandparents are less relevant than their paternal one obviously.

The Skywalker name will be gone whatever in their heretic theory. Rey is a girl.

 

This is the simplest explanation in terms of not blowing up the balloon with the story of 4 parents to eat up story time for no good reason when 2 will do. It keeps the family tree simple instead of sprawling about.

 

No, Ben never recognized her. Also, whether she thought she was dead or not, the moment they hugged she would've realized who Rey was due to their connection to the Force.

 

Am not so sure about that. 'What Girl?' Not saying they are related but I think he knows more than what was shown in the film. People say he was been creepy in his questioning, I think he has an idea who / what she is.

 

So why didn't he play on her want for answers by telling her he knew who she was, and where she came from?

That would've been better than the contrived, and obligatory, "I can train you." nonsense that he spout towards the end, when it was just Rey and him in end of that fight.

 

Kai Lo Ren said "i feel it too" as he tried to read Rey. She read him back, saying "your feared you won't live up to Vader" . But it seemed ambiguous what they were referring to in the "i feel it too"?

 

Each day that passes I become more and more convinced that Rey is indeed not a Skywalker and that the main "Skywalker" is Kylo Ren. I have no bases for this, other than the fact "the story is about the Skywalkers", but I believe Kylo Ren will be redeemed (which I'm sure I will hate). Rey (along with Luke maybe?), as the light side Force user, will help him come back to the light side (maybe with a romance plot involved? please God no). This way we get back the "Skywalker" to continue the episodic Star Wars saga and it would be a "weird/different" story in Episode VIII and IX as we are being promised. I hope I'm wrong, someone please convince me otherwise!

I'm sorry for the rambling, I'm a little drunk but after reading the script (which doesn't add much from the final cut of the movie) and watching (parts of) the movie one more time, I'm even more convinced of that: it's explicitly said the encounter we see of Leia and Rey is the first time they've ever met,

the script also says Luke's reaction seeing Rey have nothing to do with Luke recognizing her, but instead with surprise to see her there and conflicted because he knows what this means, i.e. that he can't hide anymore.

Han also never recognizes her, instead he sees a vulnerability and pities her. During another moment, when she tells him her name, there is no reaction.

Another person who doesn't recognizes her is Kylo Ren (and the part of the book in which he says "it IS you" could just as easily refers to the awakening he felt earlier and there is no context for the "what girl?" line). So either someone made a mad mind wipe in every single character in this movie, or she's not really related to any Skywalker.


But the interesting part of the script is the amount of focus it puts on Kylo Ren's internal struggle. He's shocked by his own actions.

And we get this "energy exchange", which could be read as an Force recognition (likely) or a sign they've met before (the only one in the whole script).

The above excerpt from the script maybe answers that.

 

Exactly, its all very ambiguous its done for intent.

 

Much like Daisy herself, Pablo Hidalgo has refused to say that Rey is not the daughter of Han and Leia.

 

Because her name isn't really Rey. But you can't have missed his fatherly interaction with her. "You're gonna need this." "You got a lot to learn, kid." He thinks of her as the daughter he thinks he lost at the hands of the son who has turned into a monster. And she is the daughter he thinks he lost.

@MagnarTheGreat's image makes the most sense, imo. Luke is a Jedi, and even though his new Jedi order would have been much different than the Order of old, he'd still latch on to certain things. For a master that means no attachments.

 

That's too many taken liberties, when the books, script and movie all have contradictions.

 

Solo isn't that moved that she has been captured by the first order. He came to the Starkiller base for military purpose not to save her.

 

His fatherly interaction is there to mirror his damaged relationship with his son IMO and to make Rey hate Kylo when he kills Han Solo. Neither Han nor Leia look much worried when Rey is kidnapped, are you implying they are the worst parents ever?

 

I thought that from the shooting schedule but after watching the film it was for both. He did have emotion for Rey but I don't think it was child / parent association, he knew she was special, whatever that means.

 

Yup. He seemed to be taking his time, while Finn was in a big rush.

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Right on the money...which is why all these relationships would've paid off better if Han died in VIII. That would've allowedfor better build up, and fleshing out of how people felt about each other for the audience to see.

 

Love your avi by the way

 

I like the speculation as well, but guys! She is to a 100% the daughter of Luke Skywalker. Think as a writer not as a fan! Think what Disney delivers not what you think or want as a fan.

Disney proofed with TFA that they won't take any risks in the franchise and do the soft-reboot thing.

- They give you a Han Solo Spin-off: Cause "he cool, he shoots, no thinking me audience member know Han, dude shoots"
- They give you a Rouge One Spin-Off: Cause "It's soldiers. Soldiers are heroes.. duh... me audience member, me patriot. Like soldiers. It's like Call of Duty in space"

- Kathleen Kennedy said it herself! It will be about the Skywalker family and follows a linear narrative. They will absolutely NOT have the lead actress of the new movies, the new Luke Skywalker, be a none Skywalker. It's Disney! They make family movies for families with family heavy content. They have a huge marketing team behind those films that probably have way tooo much influence on the story and other things. Palatine heritage? Nice thought! It really is, but are they going to take the risk? Does Disney really have the balls to go into this direction? Ask yourself that question and if you are god honest to yourself the answer is: no! Not from what we've seen form them in the past 30 years.

- With Rey being Luke's daughter the writers don't have to be all too creative and can stay within their comfort zone. A confrontation between Rey and Kylo Ren within the family artificially adds drama to the story and its arch, you don't have to let the audience really use their brain in order to understand and feel any depth doing that, while with the original Star Wars trilogy it worked well because it was new to the universe, with the new movies it will be the safe-zone for Disney and everybody involved just like what they did in TFA. You throw in "cousin vs cousin - it's two family members, one fell to the dark side one is with the light side - it's classic material drama writing before even the first semester starts!

- On top of that, you have a second confrontation going on, a soft-arch of two important characters, but less prominent. Which will be Luke and Snooki or what ever the Blast this new guy is called.

- You have Master vs Master saved for the third movie and Apprentice vs Apprentice, and on top of that the new characters of Finn and Poe which are going to have a few their adventures as a third arch going on. The theme of the Skywalker family fits in here perfectly and everything else would be an absolute sensation which is not going to happen.

- Last point: Disney bought SW for 4 Billion. Make sure they want to at least double it and will absolutely take zero risks in doing so. They won't do Rey Kenobi, why? Because audience knows Skywalker but thinks "Obi-Wan.. wasn't it the old dude ?! Or maybe not? Maybe this guy from Transpotting?". They won't do Rey Palpatine or what ever because audience thinks "Palp what? Fiction? Who is that? Why isn't he around? Who's the mother? How did.. what he soul travelled in a new body? What's that? Some yoga technique mom told me about last year?".

I like the ideas floating around, and honestly: there is so much they could do with those new movies (sometimes I think they even did stuff with more depth to it in things like Dark Forces II: Mysteries of the Sith with Kyle Katarn and it was just a damn video game) but they won't do it! We won't get it. Just look at the track record of Disney.

 

Thanks! I've started reading the Bane novels, and I love Zannah.

Really makes me wish we got either an anthology movie, or an animated series, of their story.

 

As a writer a professionnal one, it would be terrible. The worst you can do in a Star Wars movie talking about Jedis.

 

I'm implying that they think their daughter is dead. If Han or Leia would have known that Rey is still alive we would have learned her real name.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear. What I am theorizing here is that Han and Leia had 2 kids. A boy, Ben, and a girl, whose actual name we don't know, but her alias is Rey. They are both Skywalkers and both strong in the Force. Luke trains them, along with others strong in the Force, but somewhere along the line Ben goes bad. He joins or starts the Knights of Ren, takes the title Kylo Ren, and destroys everything that Luke built. He also thinks he destroyed his younger sister, but Luke is able to save her. In order to protect her, and to protect any chance at a future for the Jedi, he hides her on Jakku, places Lor San Tekka as a guardian, and gives her a new identity in order to protect her from Kylo.

The new identity part is crucial and I didn't really touch on that in my first post because I was so damn excited but there is no way Luke would hide his niece on an backwater planet without giving her a new identity. He'd have to. If Leia or Han knew that Rey was their daughter whom they presumed was dead, they'd betray that information to Kylo in any interaction they'd have with him. So it's far safer to give her a new identity and give her a sense of anticipation for the return of her family. Rey can't know that Han and Leia are her parents because she'd also betray that information to Kylo.

This all makes sense if you think about prior precedent. In the OT Obi-Wan did a large amount of deception in order to protect Luke and Leia. First by separating them and giving them new identities, and then by telling Luke that Vader killed his father. That was important to do because otherwise Vader would find out Luke was his son right away. There would be no time for Obi-Wan and Yoda to train him before Vader could turn him to the Dark Side.

If you look at the direction Abrams and Kasdan took this first chapter in the new trilogy, how much they mirrored the OT, it makes sense that Luke would have done as his first master had. Hide Rey, give her a new identity, make her think she is waiting for her family when she is really just waiting for her ability in the Force to awaken.