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SPECULATION Paragon Lost: The Fall of Luke Skywalker

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Legend Knight, Sep 7, 2014.

  1. Legend Knight

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    I have noticed in my threads and some of the others I have been visiting that there is one rumor that has a lot of people debating and I thought I would create a thread so we can discuss it more in depth. That rumor is that the savior of the galaxy in the Galactic Civil War Luke Skywalker will turn to the dark side. At first I balked at the very idea of this. Luke turning evil that goes against everything the character stood for in the original trilogy. Or does it? It was this question that got me thinking about some of things that may question this notion. Think back to the ending of Return of Jedi. How did Luke manage to defeat Vader in combat? It was not his love or compassion but rather his anger. Vader mentions the he will convert Leia to the dark side and Luke takes the kids gloves off. He goes into a ballistic rage and cuts his father's arm. He wins. I know he threw his lightsaber down when confronting the emperor but the point is that there is defiantly a bit of Skywalker rage in his blood. Will we see the angry man that defeated Vader or the man that chooses not to compromise the Jedi Code that stood down the emperor? IMO I believe Luke will be a darker Jedi who does what is necessary but is not evil. I had a fun first day in the cantina and I am looking forward to hearing your opinions in the comments.
     
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    When at first he appears in ROTJ he is wearing black and when two Gamorreans try to stop him he seems to force choke them. Lucas wanted the audience to think he might turn to the darkside toward the end, even the original title was Revenge of the Jedi. At that time people thought he might. But I believe that it comes down to the prophecy of the "one who will bring balance to the force". Yoda thought the prophecy was misinterpreted. To me it's Anakin and his heirs who continue the prophecy and "use the force" instead of influence the midi-chlorians to balance somewhere in between light and dark, somewhere is shadow.
     
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    The Chosen One being a lineage inheritance would be a cool idea.
     
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    Luke was captured by the Sith, tortured, came close to turning, and escaped. When they tortured him they woke something up inside of him, a darkness. He knows it is there and is bonded to the REAL villain of Episode 7. Just like he left everyone on Endor in ROTJ because Vader could sense his presence and he endangered their mission, that is what he is doing in Episode 7. He knows the evils he is capable of and does not know if he can control the dark power within him, that is why he is hiding. He also hides from the villain because he knows the only way the villain can ensure complete is by turning Luke. That's all I know, but the Luke aspect of this villain will be resolved one way or another by the end of Episode 7
     
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    Once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny.
     
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    I hope you are right. I was rereading old threads and come across your comment. This was before I knew you were a big time scooper!
     
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    I hope I am too
     
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    I was going to sit on it longer (at least another month) but it's too late to do that now. I've been aware of it since late August. At least the earlier dated stuff. I referenced it here on the 24th.

    Didn't want to get people riled up over nothing. This is how I framed it to people I conversed with in private to some weeks ago. You can decide for yourself as to any veracity:

    "A little stuff I've been sitting on for a little while for everyone's sanity. We'll see how I feel about it in a couple of months. Obviously we're in this time frame where stuff directly conflicts with other stuff that people are saying. Which means some people are either trolls or don't know WTF they're talking about.

    The stuff under the tag has stuff alleged about the third act / end of the movie. So burn it or look."

    G@BRIEL GR@Y
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    http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/32875614.html

    On to what he's said on twitter:

    July 20, 2014:

    August 7, 2014:

    August 25, 2014:

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    Don't know if this all comes from concept art. Which is subject to altering and discarding.

    Storyboards and set and scene descriptions are better.
     
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    Holy blast, Magnar.
     
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    I may not have ever posted his tweets. There's so much junk I've seen in public internet spaces that I don't know whether to trust or not so I just sit on it. Until the crap hit the fan the other day for this.
     
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    Well, buckle up, because I hear the fallout from the bombs dropped over the last couple days is about to drop. My source says storyboards from almost the entire film are RUMORED to be in that massive leak I posted about. I have a bad feeling all of the websites are going to try and one up each other until the whole film is out there. Hide your kids, hide your wife!
     
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    Hmm, clouded this guy is. It's weird that he joined Twitter in 2012 and so far has only 30 followers.
     
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    Ward is back at it again I wish he would give it a break for a day. I love the site and enjoy reading the fun little rumors but this is just too much. I know you have the choice not to read it and I did not but it only takes a few inconsiderate people to have it spoiled for you. The guy from Badass Digest explained it better than I ever could go and read it if you have not.
     
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    Wow it's all coming together now.
     
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    Star Wars Episode VII: Who's Got All Their Arms and Legs?
     
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    The rumor about Chewbacca with an entire robotic arm sounds cool actually same with Max Von Sydow's half cyborg drunken Clone Wars vet, but a Darth Vader-ish cyborg Luke Skywalker? No.
     
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    The real twist is that C-3PO becomes a real boy!
     
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    I heard from my co-worker that his sister's boyfriend's step-mom's doctor's ex-room mate's grandson's cousin is going to be Threepio's son after he becomes human! Ah more rumors coming to light! ;)
     
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    This site is killing me.... but let me explain.

    Like most on this site, I've been a fan since I was a wee tot.
    I love Star Wars. I will ALWAYS love Star Wars. That being said, I've NEVER read ANY of the EU stuff. I've learned of Thrawn, Mara and Anakin Solo through fans and buddies. When I found out about the Disney/Lucas/Sequel-Trailer business, I was a bit concerned, but absolutely enthralled. I can't wait for these movies. All of them. But I digress...
    You guys are killing me.
    If you've ever read a book, that you could absolutely not put down, and had to finish (non-stop 8hr drive from Atlanta to Orlando @ 12 yrs old style) as quickly as humanly possible because you couldn't imagine moving on with your life otherwise, that is this site.
    You guys are killing me.
    I have a job. A wife, 5 kids, 2 dogs and 2&1/2 cats....
    I have a life outside of this website (or used to) that I thoroughly enjoy. But like those books from childhood, I can't seem to put this site down. I'm caught in the "Cantina" tractor beam. Damn it's great.
    But honestly, You guys are killing me.
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    Darth Ruin???
    If Luke is a baddie/cyborg/Sith-ish/Emporor-wannabe/father/but_maybe_not/whofreakingknows, I am still freaking excited because its STAR WARS!
    "Fear leads to Anger; Anger to Hate; Hate to Suffering..."
    I hope Luke is a bad guy. I hope he's not. I hope there are Solo spawn. I hope there isn't.
    The possibilities are endless and every damned one of them sounds cool.
    Bring it on!

    38 years old and SO excited to be a fan.... Seriously, you guys are killing me.
     
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    I would enjoy such a plot line as well. I'm remembering the supposed image or concept art (might be debunked by now) that supposedly involved a crazed-looking Luke standing opposite Han and Adam Driver's character, with Han seeming to be apprehensive to Luke.

    It would be interesting to see him somewhat dark, perhaps in some attempt to discover what fuels the dark side itself. But I'm not exactly one for having him as the villain as others seem to prefer.
     
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