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Rey can't be Luke's Daughter....

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by master_shaitan, Dec 18, 2015.

  1. master_shaitan

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    In the film, Rey has her mind probed by Kylo Ren - son of Han Solo and former student of Luke Skywalker.
    Kylo says to Rey that she "saw Han as a father figure", or something along those lines.
    Kylo explains that he took Rey instead of going after BB8 because the map to Luke was in her head.

    Now, if Rey was Luke's daughter and we assume that he hasn't been missing for 19 years, the above tells me that Rey can't be his daughter.
    Why?
    Because Kylo would've known. He would've known she was his blood. He would've already met her when she was younger. He would surely have put 2 and 2 together when she turns out to be strong in the Force.

    On top of this, Han doesn't think she is Luke's. He gives no indication whatsoever about that. He simply likes her and offers her a 'job'.

    Leia doesn't say anything to her either. She would've said something. She would have known.

    Maz Kanata, who knows Luke (in some way, it would appear} and has Luke's old saber and knows Han (thus the family) well - asks "who is the girl". She doesn't make the connection so I doubt the connection exists based on that as well.

    What is established however is that Lor San Tekka looked after Rey (early years) on Jakku.
    Rey's parent, who-ever they are, went missing.
    Lor San Tekka appears to have been friends with Luke.
    So I am guessing that Rey did once have a connection with Luke and the Jedi - or at the very least her parents did. But that is it.
     
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  2. Jerec

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    I think Disney is simply playing it safe. Someone online (Jeremy Jahns I believe) commented that Disney were waiting for the fans reaction to Daisy Ridley before setting in stone that she's a Skywalker. I tend to believe that his the case.

    Having seen the movie only once, it's hard to tell if Rey and Kylo are the same age, I feel he's older than her but I can be wrong.

    My theory, She's Luke's daughter. She got trained by him at an early age and when Ben (or Kylo) turned to the dark side, he (and the Knights of Ren) slaughtered Luke's apprentices and wife. Luke, wanting to give her daughter a normal life (and I would guess, fearing that she would also be seduced by the dark side), used the force to remove or block her memories and sent her away. He doesn't want her to be involve in this conflict, doesn't want her to suffer as he, his grandfather and nephew did. He believes she would be better off living a normal life. Of course, The Force brings them back together at the end of Ep. VII. I like the idea that the reason Luke seems so sad at the end of Ep. VII is that he didn't only lost his friend, he understands his daughter will have a role to play in the events to come even after he tried to alter her fate.

    Just my guess!
     
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    I feel pretty much exactly the same way. It makes sense.
     
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    Most likely intentionally averting attention away from the possibility of her being Luke's daughter. Leia and Han may not have even known Luke had a child. But it's impossible to say.

    When Kylo and Rey first come face to face, doesn't he say "Ah, the girl I've heard so much about.", or something along those lines? It sounded like more than just that he'd been hearing about her from his troops who'd been trying to capture her. Perhaps Luke spoke about her at the Academy. That would lead me to think she's not actually his daughter. Just don't know!
     
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    What if they have their own conspiracy going around so that Rey won't find who she really is .
     
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    That's interesting. I'll have to pay special attention next time I watch the movie!
     
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    Something else to think about.. Why was Rey abandoned on Jakku? To protect her? From whom? I rather like the idea that she was left there because her connection to the force even as a child scared someone, possibly Luke. Scared him or someone bad enough to leave her on a remote planet where she wouldn't encounter the force. This would also go a long way to explain how she awakened her force powers so quickly when she did learn of it's existence. I have a feeling she'll be flirting with the Dark side big time at some point in the series and it might be seriously bad-ass.

    And what if Kylo is eventually coaxed back to the light by Leia and Luke and Kylo and Rey eventually flip positions. That would be very cool. I should be a writer on these movies!
     
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    Considering the movie just came out and the Ep VIII script is already finished, I don't think Lucasfilm was waiting for anyone's opinion before going forward. Unless you think they'd wait to reveal such a thing until Ep IX.
     
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    Kylo wouldn't be in on that.
    Maz talks to Han about her when she isn't about.


    He's just talking about her exploits from the events of the film. Nothing before.
    Kylo wants the map so he can find and kill Luke Skywalker. If he had Luke's daughter I think he would have mentioned that to Snoke!
    Kylo doesn't recognise her. He doesn't feel a Force connection. She would be family. He would have known her from before.
    She's not Luke's daughter.
     
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    Come on folks... Ray is clearly is Ezra and Sabine's daughter.

    :eek:(duel)
     
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    Funny, but interesting. Ezra is/was the same age as Luke and Leia.
     
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    This is not the daughter we're looking for.
     
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    Well, I respect your opinion, but the same could be said for Vader and Luke at the end of Ep. 4. Vader concentrate his attack against Luke, focuses on him, feels he's strong with the force, but doesn't realize he's his son. (I know, the fact that Luke was Vader's son was established well after Ep. IV came out) but I'm sure you understand where I'm getting at. :)
     
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    But the point I am making is that Kylo (and the others) would've already met Rey. Already known her. This wouldn't be the first time they'd meet or set eyes on her.
    Vader was in a spaceship behind Luke whom he had never met nor known existed.
     
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    Kylo was taunting her. Of course he knows.
     
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    May she be the second child of Han and Leia? Perhaps once Ren went to the dark side, they decided at that point to send her off? Perhaps they are hiding that from her so she has no compassion for Ren knowing she may have to defeat him some day?

    Leia and Rey shared a very long hug when she returned to the Rebel base, but that was the first time they have seen once another, which was weird.

    ...and pardon my ignorance, but are jedi not allowed to love? If not, Luke couldn't have a daughter? Or am I missing something?
     
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    Kylo knows who Rey is. He realises it when she probes his mind and reveal his insecurities with regards to Vader, but he doesn't tell her because he wants her to be his apprentice, not Luke's.
     
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    Absolutely nothing in the film suggests that this is the case.
     
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    You haven't the right to tell that here !!!

    But I do agree it makes absolutely no sense that Rey is Luke's daughter but people ( not me ) want it so much that they lose their mind on this subject. There are still people who think she is a Solo ...

    Rey is much more a character like Anakin, choosen by the Force. The awakening.

    Thanks is advance for the bad reps :D
     
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    Not going to try to respond to each of these seperatly so just respond to everhting i saw above in this post: Didnt snoke tell Kylo to bring her to him after she resisted his mind probe? I thought the movie made it pretty clear that Lor San Tekka raised Rey on Jakku due to the his saying quiet Rey in the flashback. If She is lukes daughter and he dropped her off, that might explain why Lor San tekka had part of a map to where Luke was. And i think that Kylo may know who she is because when it was mentioned that Finn and BB8 had escaped with a girl he got super pissed. And even if he didnt feel her in the force that proves nothing cuz luke didnt figure out that leia was his sister until return of the Jedi. And at the end of the movie why was it that Leia sent Rey to go to Luke. Maybe because she knows who she is but doesnt want to tell her cuz she thinks that rey needs to figure it out for herself and that it is luke job to say welcome to the family? And as far as Han not knowing who she is, we dont know when Kylo fell to tthe dark side and how that relates to Luke putting Rey on Jakku, maybe he left before he found out luke put Rey on jakku and assumed she died like the rest of the children at the academy. It possible that Luke would not have told HAn this in order to protect her. Also i think maz knows damn well who she is because she makes the comment about the lightsaber being handed down the family right before she tells Rey to take it. Nobody who knows tells her because the jedi way is to let people figure these things out for themselves. And maz may not be a jedi but she respects them enough to follow their exampe when it comes to something like this
     
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