Rian Johnson has a big hole to dig Luke Skywalker out of.....

I have a feeling that since the underlying question for this series, the entire Sequel Trilogy was "Who is Luke Skywalker?" that the answer has already been mapped out. In fact, I'd bet that the first plot points they figured out were all in regards to Luke Skywalker in the future. Rian Johnson of course has the chance to make this reveal, or enlightenment, that much more intense & emotional, that's where his moment of truth comes in.

Just my thoughts.

 

Great post. I have heard a lot of comments about people feeling betrayed since the fairy tale ending feeling ot ROTJ was shattered with TFA. But we have to realise that this is a tragedy, people. They are humans just like us, not superheroes. Force-sensitive humans, I'll give you that, but humans at the end of the day. Obviously we will have to wait for the new canon material - books, comics - between ROTJ and TFA to see what happened, because I've heard comments of people whining about the darker perspective for our beloved characters in TFA when there have been 30 years since we left them celebrating with the Ewoks! If sometimes things might change a lot in a short period of time, obviously they will in 30 years.

I mean, at the beginning of ROTS we had really cool Jedis commanding clone armies for the Republic whereas the beginning of ANH was the Empire in full command, and the Jedis being just remnants of a "hokey religion".

I guess our perspective would be enhanced by the whole trilogy and the bonus canon material to give us more ground to properly analyse. Right now many of us will be upset for how things came out and how we did expect them to be (and I'm talking here as a big fan of the Han and Leia story-arc lol).

 

Oh yeah, I'm sure JJ/Kasdan just blindly for fun put Luke at the end and never outlined and had plans just to watch Rian squirm at how to fix their screw up. Get real

 

could happen.

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I read that he was present in the process of making TFA.
There was a interview where J.J. hinted that Rian Johnsons Episode VIII script was superior.

 

There is an interview where JJ said they were showing Rian the daily's through out the making of TFA.

 

Thanks, I already forgot about this.

I guess it's old news, but Rian Johnson script is done since 6th october 2015.

I'am curious about what he wrote.

 

I think being betrayed by your nephew and those your taught and what happened, including we dont know who Rey is as we are all assuming is Luke daughter, if so and we pull some info from EU which they are using here and there, what if Luke wife was a Force User and killed by Kilo at the new academy?

What bothers me, is we know nothing about this time of the academy. We are also assuming that Luke wasn't there at the time of the slaughtering of the academy students. Why would Luke leave the academy unprotected or observed, was an an adult Force User in the academy that would have been able to protect them and wasn't due to these other student Force users?

 

The first half of episode 8 will be Rey explaining the plot of episode 7 to Luke

 

Well, he did exactly what Yoda and Obi Wan did in the PT/OT...

That brings back my OT question left unanswered... Hopefully, we'll learn more about in the next episodes:

Why Yoda did not confront Vader and the emperor instead of sending poor untrained Luke to face them alone?

 

Hell Yeah!!! created by the force just like Annie. That would be so wizard.

 

First line of the Episode 8 crawl

Luke Skywalker has vanished....again...

 

First line of VIII crawl

The Jedi Knight Rey Skywalker is on her way to..........

 

I 'm sorry my friend but I don't buy this and I have to strongly disagree with you. How can you say Luke abandoned his friends all the time? There were only two times we saw Luke take off and this was during events where he clearly knew that his friends were out of danger. Luke left for Dagobah after the rebels had succesfully evacuated Hoth and he did the same after rescuing his friends from Jabba. The only reason why Han and Leia got into trouble in ESB was because unknown to everyone, the Falcon had a bad hyperdrive. If it had not been for that, Han would have never had to do the crazy stunt that let Boba Fett tail him or go to Bespin in the first place. What Chowdahead has said in his post is really true. Luke was an awesome character that never quit and never abandoned his friends and family no matter how bad things got. Why else do you think Luke abandoned his training and went up against Vader knowing he was totally outclassed and hardly had a chance of winning? You also say he grew as a character by becoming less rash and hot headed and yet this to is wrong. Look at ROTJ and see for yourself the huge flaws in Luke's rescue plan. He was so hotheaded that he had sent R2 with his lightsaber ahead of him and he in some miraculous way expected R2 to be there when he needed him! What were the odds of Jabba deciding to put R2 exactly where Luke was going to be? Had Jabba been pissed off and destroyed the droids or had he simply put R2 elsewhere and not taken him to the pit of Karcoon, all our heros would have bitten the dust and had they even tried to escape minus Leia, Boba Fett would have made short work of them as all were unarmed. When you think about Luke's plan depending on R2 being there you can instantly see the flaws and the overconfidence yet Luke cared nothing for this because his love for his friends made him reckless. The very same thing could be seen when Luke, knowing that killing with hate could turn him to the Dark Side, tried to murder an unarmed Sheev for the love of his friends. We saw this in Luke one last time when knowing that he had gone with the intention to redeem his father, almost ended up killing him himself just because his father threatend his sister. Once more we could see a rash Luke who almost killed someone in a fit of anger just for the love of someone else he cared for. Now, TFA gives us a crybaby Luke who left just because he had failed and he didn't care about friends and family and he let the galaxy burn. He knew that Kylo was his responsability yet he left to mope to find a supposed Jedi temple. What did he hope to find? A way to rewrite history? Just seeing how Luke hid from the galaxy to cry and moan and how his own failure murdered Han puts Luke as a character in a very bad spot. What? Is he going to train Rey so that she can redeem Kylo Ren already at the cost of Han and millions of lives? Just in one movie, Kylo was part of a murder that claimed even more lives than Vader and Sheev did in the whole OT and PT together! What are Leia and Chewie going to do now? Forget he murdered Han and just welcome Kylo back and be thankful he turned into a good guy and then pat Luke on the back? George Lucas's Luke was a fighter who never quit and didn't care for the odds yet JJ Abrams Luke was a failure in all accounts. For all the talk about JJ being a hardcore OT fan he really had a bad way of showing it as he made failures of our childhood heros and events in every aspect. Luke failed as a Jedi, as a husband, as a father, as a friend and as a brother. Leia failed as a Jedi and both she and Han failed as parents and as a married couple. The rebelion failed as a force of good in the galaxy to a point that they created a very flawed republic that was so trashy that it didn't consider the New Order a threat, made our heros leave it and create the resistance, and got blown away in just a few seconds in this movie without a care in the world. Rian Johnson does indeed have his work cut out for him as Chowdahead said as he clearly has to clean up the huge mess that JJ did and come up with a way to fix it all and make Luke not seem as a total nimrod.

 

He does not need to be in the center, but he deserves a bit more focus.
After all he is the main protagonist from the OT and the one with most interesting future in hindsight of ROTJ.

By the way force choking and cut of a bunch of peoples heads sounds like pure enjoyment to me.
I would not mind seeing Luke doing cool stuff in some scenes in VIII.
Disney should put it to a rest and give us Luke in all of his Jedi glory.
People waited so long for a sequel and what Luke is doing after ROTJ, but all they got after 30 years was 15 seconds of him without dialog.

 

The same hole can be told about Yoda going into hiding being the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy by the end of the Clone Wars.

 

Yoda was never meant to be a fighter in the OT.
Lucas told in a early interview from the 80's that Yoda would lose in a physical fight against Darth Vader.

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Luke Skywalker vanishes again, would suck.
I guess that VIII would flop without Luke.
The audience don't liked to get fooled twice.

 

Ep. 8 has the same dilemma as TFA: Luke's presence overshadows Rey. He's just too powerful -- which is only a problem because all the marketing and sales are built around this 19 year old heroine. Disney will never let her take a back seat or play 2nd fiddle.

My guess is that Luke and Rey will go on a mission together in Ep.8, and that they'll get separated at some point. This will allow both characters to be showcased. Everyone wins, except for those of us who wanted it to happen in TFA -- now we'll have to wait 17 months. Oh well. I'm still excited for it.

 

EPISODE VIII CRAWL:

"Luke Skywalker, alone for fourteen years, is insane and has amnesia...."