Should Kylo Ren be Redeemed?

Agreed on all points. Like everything about the FO in this movie stresses how it's about conformity, brainwashing, and stomping out individualism, and then we have all this evidence that Snoke got his claws into Kylo from a young age. And yes it was said that Han was taken aback seeing his son as a grown man, so Kylo fell to the dark side as a teenager, possibly as young as 14/15. It doesn't excuse him, but you have all the groundwork for a redemption story. In fact, there's really nowhere to go but in that direction, because he's reached the villainy pinnacle and there are limited ways to make him do anything worse that'd serve the story in a compelling way. I'm positive he's being set up for redemption just as Vader was. And it will involve Rey.
I'm hopeful it'll start earlier than Vader's redemption did, so it gets a chance to play itself out instead of happening really quickly right a the end.

I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want this as this is what Star Wars is all about to me lol. Families being set against each other through the conflict between the Light and Dark side and unconditional love conquering evil in the end. Kylo killed Han, yes, but he's arguably the one person who Rey or someone could rightly speak on his behalf when they say he'd still want Kylo to be saved despite what he did. If Han could communicate via Force ghost he'd surely say the same thing.

 

By that logic, Kylo is also a throw away character. There's not a chance in the world that the villain of this new trilogy is going to survive Episode IX. That's only 2 episodes away.
If Kylo Ren isn't redeemed, he will die in Episode IX.

Except he kind of did... it may not have been the physical act that killed her, but it broke her will to live... at least, that was George Lucas's weak explanation for it.

The conversation between Han and Leia suggests they felt guilt over abandoning him, and sending him away with Luke...
It sounds like they weren't the great parents people may have thought they would be (honestly, I never expected them to be great at it).

I actually found him more threatening than Palpatine...
Sure, Palpatine created a galactic war to destroy the Jedi and enslave populations... but Snoke has talked a kid into betraying his family, convincing him that it would make him stronger.

If you want to see Snoke's power, look at Kylo's delusion: he just killed his father, and then he offers to train Rey, someone who has literally been waiting most her life for her family to return to her... and then when she declines, he can't understand why.

Snoke has followers effectively competing among themselves for his approval.

Turning a kid with a troubled past into a jedi killer is one thing... convincing a kid that he need to eliminate his family in order to fulfil his family destiny takes a whole new level of manipulation.

I'm excited to learn more about Snoke.

 

If you are right, which I hope, I´m buying you a beer!

 

I agree.
He is just evil and I hope that he will die at the end.

 

I'd shoot him in the face with a blaster so, i guess, no...

 

Kylo Ren killed children in that village on Jakku, and also destroyed Hosnian prime ( and murdered milions of childrens ).
And he also killed his own father.

In my eyes he is far worst than Anakin.
I hope that he will die in very ugly way.

 

He's the bad boy with a heart of gold .

 

I don't think he will be redeemed.

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Agree.

 

I think it will be silmilar to Lord Zucko in Avatar: The Last AirBender.
Comparison
1. Lord Zucko evil hunting powerful Ang. Kylo is evil hunting powerful Luke
2. Zucko wants to please Fire Lord. Kylo wants to please Snoke and also looks up to Darth Vader
3. Zucko fights with Katara. Kylo fights Rey

What I think will happen
1. Kylo will turn to the light by third movie (Zucko turned to the good side in season 3)
2. Kylo will help the rebels like Zucko helped Ang and his friends
3. Kylo will be redeemed by helping Rey and Rebels defeat Snoke and First Order. (Zucko helped Ang defeat Fire Lord and his sister)
4. Kylo will take a high post in the New Republic. Zucko became new Fire Lord
(I don't think he will die during or after redemption because it will be too Vader like)

Just a theory

 

That's simply not true. If Han's compassion toward Kylo/Ben is shown to be a catalyst in his turning back to the Light then Han's death becomes even more poignant.

 

Exactly. I know a lot of people are crying that Han's killer shouldn't get redemption but like... the reason I want Kylo redeemed is because I love Han so much and that's what Han would've wanted.

Now it doesn't matter to me if Kylo survives the trilogy, but I do want to see him return to the light and turn against Snoke because it'll mean in the end Han's efforts to save Kylo weren't entirely in vain.

 

That wasn't Kylo?

ok, Jakku was him, but Hosnian Prime he actually had nothing to do with?
That was solely on Hux and Snoke.

I know it's nitpicky, but we have so many villains to chose from, we should keep them in order.
Especially since they have very different personalities and responsibilities and they are competing.

 

Just wrote a post about this earlier without reading this. I also find it interesting that Luke defeats the darkness in him (unless these movies change that) by turning off his saber and refusing to kill his father. Kylo defeats the light in him by turning on his saber and killing his father.

As far as the redemption...I feel like the only way he can be redeemed is by sacrificing himself to save someone (or everyone). I can't see him living with himself after killing all of his friends at the academy and his father. The problem is that would be basically the same exact redemption as Vader.

 

I disagree.
Kylo Ren is equally blame for the destruction of Hosnian prime.

 

The Starkiller is Hux baby and he'll do anything to keep Kylo away from his toys probably.
That's some intense rivalry those two have going on there.
It's hux who had that thing built and who suggests it to Snoke.
FOr a second there it even looks as if Kylo would object.

 

I actually think that a good way to differentiate a redemption arc for Kylo from Vader is to have Kylo actually survive. Sure Anakin felt horrible after he came to his senses and all, but he never really had to do much to deal with the actual consequences of his actions, I think it'd be cool if Ben did have to sit down and come to terms with what an absolute monster he'd been.

 

I disagree.
Kylo Ren in the movie is all for StarKiller base. And he defended the base.
And he also wanted to destroyed D'Qar and his mother with that planet.

Kylo Ren is pure evil, alot worst than Anakin.
Kylo Ren was evil as a child too. That is why he was sent to Luke, as we learned from the movie.

 

He wants approval fromHis parent

 

No. Kylo Ren should fully commit himself to the Dark Side, destroy Snoke, and assume the role of Supreme Leader.